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Old 08-05-2011, 04:42 AM   #7711
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This subject intrests me greatly as I will be soon be selling them.

panorton: Any ideas what is behind the stalls coming off idle? Do you feal it is a mapping issue?

Your going to sell bikes and you believe crazy things like how its the riders fault???! Where will this dealership be located. I will be sure to never stop by.
Your have no idea what your talking about.
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Old 08-05-2011, 04:42 AM   #7712
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You are so right that Triumph's fix is not in the software or anything else. They are just editing the owner's manual.

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Old 08-05-2011, 04:48 AM   #7713
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I thought it was BMW who consistently tell owners "you are not riding the bike properly!!!" The old "Blame The Owner" method!

As unpopular as you opinion about "riding hard" is here ... I tend to agree with you. I've owned four or five F.I. bikes ... and nearly ALL had stalling probs when brand new. Riding them hard always helped or eliminated the problem within about 1000 miles.

In any case, it is pointless to dive in and make a bunch of changes to Tunes, TPS, or TB settings before the bike is FULLY broken in. During break in, everything is constantly changing. Once stable, that is the time to go through and carefully re-set all parameters, install the best Tune and sync TB's and reset TPS.

When I have ridden the XC I felt it was happiest between about 5K RPM and 8K RPM. Sweet spot ... with the occasional bump off the rev limiter.
Here's hoping a solution will present itself .... and soon.

Mine has 3000 miles and has been stalling since 800 miles. Is that broke in yet? Let me answer that for you. I dont want any room for confusion. The answer is Yes! Some are having the problem at 8000 + miles. The bike doesnt die while driving down the road. It doesnt matter where the bike is "happy", or where the "sweet" spot is! The bike dies at idle! I will repeat. AT IDLE!
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Old 08-05-2011, 05:12 AM   #7714
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For those of you that say there is not a large percentage of the New Tigers that dont have the stall issue... How are you getting your facts? Are you saying that not a lot are reported on here? You cant base your numbers from a website forum. I think someone a ways back spelled this out perfect. The percentage of people that are a member of the forum versus the amount of people subscribed and so on... Not to mention the number of people who own a New Tiger and arent even members of ADV Rider. Not saying it is, or isnt a large percentage but you dont have enough facts to know this is true...
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Old 08-05-2011, 06:12 AM   #7715
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i think you need to read more carefully. i can ride the shit out of my xc, but it stalls coming off idle. should i idle more aggressively?
First day I had my bike, I stalled it a dozen or so times off-idle. Since I learned to give it a little more gas, slipping the clutch a little more, I've stalled it prob 3 times.
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Old 08-05-2011, 06:27 AM   #7716
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This subject intrests me greatly as I will be soon be selling them.

panorton: Any ideas what is behind the stalls coming off idle? Do you feal it is a mapping issue?

My issue is fairly easy to ride around. i just need to take the engine gently above idle before setting off. I honestly couldn't guess whether it is mechanical in nature or software. I've read a few theories that seem possible. I'm taking a wait and see approach as it is still a fun bike to ride and don't want it sitting in the shop.
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Old 08-05-2011, 06:36 AM   #7717
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My issue is fairly easy to ride around. i just need to take the engine gently above idle before setting off. I honestly couldn't guess whether it is mechanical in nature or software. I've read a few theories that seem possible. I'm taking a wait and see approach as it is still a fun bike to ride and don't want it sitting in the shop.
Exactly what I do. I also have a habit of blipping the throttle before I set off and the Tigger doesn't like that either so I force myself to stop doing it. I rode a KTM 690SM last night....you think the Tigger's throttle is jerky

Clearly, some bikes have some issues but I also think that people need to adapt to the bike more - I don't ride this the bike the same way I do, say, my Speed Triple, they are different bikes and so have to be driven slightly differently.

I really really hope everyone gets their bikes sorted out to their satisfaction very soon....
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Old 08-05-2011, 06:36 AM   #7718
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My issue is fairly easy to ride around. i just need to take the engine gently above idle before setting off. I honestly couldn't guess whether it is mechanical in nature or software. I've read a few theories that seem possible. I'm taking a wait and see approach as it is still a fun bike to ride and don't want it sitting in the shop.

I think the stalling "problem" problem is getting confused at this point. My bike, and I think most everone thats having the problem, is not stalling durring take off. The big problem is when you come to a stop light or to a stop for any reason, the RPM's begin to drop while the clutch is in, then eventually the RPM's drop completly off and the bike dies. Or sometimes wont flutter at all and just drop completly off. From what I have read some wont idle at all, or at least after they get super hot. If you arent used to the bike thats one thing. What most are reffereing to is completely un preventable.
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Old 08-05-2011, 06:55 AM   #7719
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Your going to sell bikes and you believe crazy things like how its the riders fault???!.
Go back and re-read my posts. Here let me help you out since you seem to be inept.

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It seems obvious there is an issue and I am glad to see/hear that Triumph is working on a solution. The fact remains that it is a relatively small number of bikes having this issue which leads me to believe it might be something in how the bikes are being ridden. I am not saying this is the case… Just saying it is a possibility.

A similar issue arose with the f.i. F650’s in 2001/02.. Those who rode them hard never seemed to have a hesitation issue that those who didn’t run them hard were experiencing.
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Old 08-05-2011, 07:05 AM   #7720
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So, being a technical sort of guy that has to deal with bugs and flaws on a daily basis this sort of issue intrigues me. In my line of work I find that many times several completely unrelated client side issues are attributed to a server side bug simply because a known issue is occurring. This can muddy the waters a bit and end up delaying the main issue resolution. The trick is weeding out the ID10T errors from the valid ones.

In this case because of the length of the thread it can be a bit hard to judge who simply needs to adjust their riding style to account for a tall geared, light flywheel bike and those actually affected by a fueling/ignition/tb opening bug. If there is a bug it should fit into a pattern that is fairly consistent that will weed out the people not actually having the issues.

The devil is in the details. Getting everyone we know with the stalling issue to answer the following would help.

What modifications to the stock setup are in place?
How many miles were on the bike when you first noticed the stalling?
Was anything out of the ordinary done to the bike just prior to that?
Does the outside or bike temperature seem to make a difference in the frequency of the stalls?
Does the stalling occur more frequently after fully filling the tank?
If so does a partial fill produce the same results?
Does the stalling ever occur when you are moving, but with the clutch engaged?
Does the stalling occur more at long stop lights or short stop and go stops?
Does the stall ever occur while stopped but with the clutch fully engaged in 1st(ie not starting to go)?
How about in N just sitting there?
Does the rpm fluctuate while you are stopped just prior to the stall?
If so explain and does it fluctuate on non-stall stops?
Does it stall mainly when leaving the stop?
If so does it make a difference if it was a stop that you stayed in first and held the clutch in or a stop that you shifted into N, let out the clutch, pulled the clutch in, shifted back into 1 before trying to leave?
Can you consistently reproduce the stalling? If so what steps do you take that more often than not result in a stall?
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Old 08-05-2011, 07:34 AM   #7721
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Vzuke, my experience is very similar to yours...I consider myself very fortunate not to have had any stalling issues. I had the Arrow from the get-go with the stock map and it ran fairly well. Once they installed the new map, it has run fantastically. I definitely feel the heat on my thighs more than I did on my Aprilia, but it isn't overly annoying...maybe I'm just used to it from living in the desert. Another plus: oil changes on this bike are about the easiest of any motorcycle I've ever owned. Last night I did the 6000 mile service. I loosened the two front bolts holding the bash plate to give me a little more room to maneuver around the oil filter...other than that, easy-peasy. Now if I only knew how to extinguish the service dogbone on the dash...
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Old 08-05-2011, 07:39 AM   #7722
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Go back and re-read my posts. Here let me help you out since you seem to be inept.

Oh I read it. Still doesnt make you intellegent. And still doesnt make you right. Ive been riding and racing bikes for years. This stalling issue is not my fault! Im still waiting on when and where you want to meet to settle this once and for all!
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Old 08-05-2011, 07:59 AM   #7723
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Oh I read it. Still doesnt make you intellegent. And still doesnt make you right. Ive been riding and racing bikes for years. This stalling issue is not my fault! Im still waiting on when and where you want to meet to settle this once and for all!
The stalling issue is not rider related if it is one if the issues we are all having. Enough blame on the rider and we all just need a permanent fix. Our temporary fixes have worked most of our trip and we will get home safely. It's not the rider.


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Old 08-05-2011, 08:24 AM   #7724
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With Triumph's continuing rave reviews in the Moto press with nearly ALL their bikes (XC800 included), would anyone predict a future "R" version of the T800XC, similar to the stunning Daytona 675R?

I've been saying since before the T800 even began shipping that I would be shocked if Triumph didn't release an "XC R"-type model within a few years. I would expect it to come with fully-adjustable suspension, possibly standard aluminum skidplate and crashbars, maybe even knobby tires from the factory.

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Old 08-05-2011, 08:50 AM   #7725
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This stalling issue is not my fault! Im still waiting on when and where you want to meet to settle this once and for all!

Meaning what?
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