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Old 08-05-2011, 10:08 AM   #7726
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Stalling issue

I'm taking delivery up my NEW 800XC later today, it'll have theTOR tune installed.

I asked about the stalling issue and was told It was possibly related to the installation of any new tune. He said when a new tune is installed the initial ride must be at a constant speed for 20 minutes. That may explain why the issue crops up after the first service.

When I take delivery I ask about a cure for those that stall because they were not ridden in that manner immediately
following the installation of a new tune.

I owned an '06 Buell Uly and the "20 minute ride" is the same process used on that bike.

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Old 08-05-2011, 10:10 AM   #7727
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Oh I read it. Still doesnt make you intellegent. And still doesnt make you right. Ive been riding and racing bikes for years. This stalling issue is not my fault! Im still waiting on when and where you want to meet to settle this once and for all!
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:23 AM   #7728
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I would almost bet money that any and all who are having stalling issues are not riding the bike as it should be ridden... Meaning they are running at too low of an RPM. Shift down a gear or two and ride the damn things... Problem solved.

Meaning what?
You tell me. Your the one that put the bet on the table.
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:27 AM   #7729
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Eye of the TIGER Rock! Eye of the Tiger!

Eh no fighting, just a classic Im right your wrong. Its more fun that wayBetter yet I just hope his bike starts stalling next time he rides it. Then we'll see who's whining. Karmas a bitch.
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:31 AM   #7730
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I asked about the stalling issue and was told It was possibly related to the installation of any new tune. He said when a new tune is installed the initial ride must be at a constant speed for 20 minutes. That may explain why the issue crops up after the first service.
I don't buy that at all, not to mention the impossibility of riding at a constant speed for 20 minutes.

However, when a new tune is loaded, the bike should be left to idle without touching the throttle until the TPS adaption is complete. This can take 10-15 minutes or so so perhaps that's what the tech was referring to.

However I doubt this as the cause of the problem. Surely procedural errors by the dealership (ie not letting TPS adaption take place) would be one of the troubleshooting steps when speaking with Triumph. I'm sure they'd go through that again before replacing throttle bodies.
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:35 AM   #7731
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Eh no fighting, just a classic Im right your wrong. Its more fun that wayBetter yet I just hope his bike starts stalling next time he rides it. Then we'll see who's whining. Karmas a bitch.
Unlike you I do not whine and snivel.

And unlike you I hope that you get your stalling issue sorted out soon.
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:39 AM   #7732
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Mine has 3000 miles and has been stalling since 800 miles. Is that broke in yet? Let me answer that for you. I dont want any room for confusion. The answer is Yes! Some are having the problem at 8000 + miles. The bike doesnt die while driving down the road. It doesnt matter where the bike is "happy", or where the "sweet" spot is! The bike dies at idle! I will repeat. AT IDLE!
So what do you think is going on? What does your dealer say? Have you (or your dealer) called Triumph USA in Georgia and spoken with a Tech?
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:45 AM   #7733
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So, being a technical sort of guy that has to deal with bugs and flaws on a daily basis this sort of issue intrigues me. In my line of work I find that many times several completely unrelated client side issues are attributed to a server side bug simply because a known issue is occurring. This can muddy the waters a bit and end up delaying the main issue resolution. The trick is weeding out the ID10T errors from the valid ones.

In this case because of the length of the thread it can be a bit hard to judge who simply needs to adjust their riding style to account for a tall geared, light flywheel bike and those actually affected by a fueling/ignition/tb opening bug. If there is a bug it should fit into a pattern that is fairly consistent that will weed out the people not actually having the issues.

The devil is in the details. Getting everyone we know with the stalling issue to answer the following would help.

What modifications to the stock setup are in place?
How many miles were on the bike when you first noticed the stalling?
Was anything out of the ordinary done to the bike just prior to that?
Does the outside or bike temperature seem to make a difference in the frequency of the stalls?
Does the stalling occur more frequently after fully filling the tank?
If so does a partial fill produce the same results?
Does the stalling ever occur when you are moving, but with the clutch engaged?
Does the stalling occur more at long stop lights or short stop and go stops?
Does the stall ever occur while stopped but with the clutch fully engaged in 1st(ie not starting to go)?
How about in N just sitting there?
Does the rpm fluctuate while you are stopped just prior to the stall?
If so explain and does it fluctuate on non-stall stops?
Does it stall mainly when leaving the stop?
If so does it make a difference if it was a stop that you stayed in first and held the clutch in or a stop that you shifted into N, let out the clutch, pulled the clutch in, shifted back into 1 before trying to leave?
Can you consistently reproduce the stalling? If so what steps do you take that more often than not result in a stall?
This is good!
You should forward it to Triumph as a basic guide to troubleshooting this problem. Assembling a data base from affected owners could speed up finding a solution. Better than just throwing expensive parts at it ... not being sure what's what.
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:47 AM   #7734
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Unlike you I do not whine and snivel.

And unlike you I hope that you get your stalling issue sorted out soon.
Its not cool to come on here and tell everyone they are idiots and dont know how to ride thier bike. For some, the girls on thier Alaska trip, this has turned out to be a show stopper for them. And they are riding for a good charity cause. Just use your words a little better my ADV friend. I have confidence it will get solved. I have ridden mine from the time mine started to stall. Ive even figured out when its going to happen and how to just keep on truckin. Adapt and overcome! If you really are going to sell Motorcycles you might want to work on your people skills.

Thats not true. I hope I get my stalling issue sorted out as well.

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Old 08-05-2011, 10:49 AM   #7735
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So what do you think is going on? What does your dealer say? Have you (or your dealer) called Triumph USA in Georgia and spoken with a Tech?

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Yes they have looked at it. I do believe I am the first to post on here about the issue. Its way back on page 444. A couple weeks ago Corporate Triumph had my bike hooked to a computer here at my dealer running some tests over the internet. They say they are working on a fix. My dealer still stands by the fact that it is a software issue. At first I wanted to doubt that fact but I am glad I stood by their decision because guys on here that are having parts replaced and lots of in house money spent still have the issue. For now I am chillin out with the Arrow tune. Since it was installed I havnt done a lot of riding so I'm not sure this worked but I will find out this weekend!!!
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:56 AM   #7736
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Getting ready to do the 6,000 mile oil change on the XC...is it necessary to remove or loosen the skid plate to remove the oil filter?
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No but it's wise to direct the flow when draining otherwise you'll catch some in the plate and it'll dribble for ages


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Try spraying a soapy solution on the sump guard before removing the filter. Once the new filter is installed, spray more soapy water and rinse with clear water. Most of the oil will wash away into your oil drain pan.
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:58 AM   #7737
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Much better mounting/bracket system for the OEM panniers. Other than that as I have said before a info button for dash with easy on and off ABS. Near perfect bike in most aspects and if they give it more ground clearance might alienate the more vertically challenge. The way the XC and seat adjustments are presently makes this bike good for even a shorty like me at 5'41/2".
I'm hoping Triumph are following your AK ride. Real world touring brings forward the most important issues. Did the luggage mounts break? Or just hard to use?

A special "Low Seat" could possibly solve the problem for limited inseam riders. The fact is ... the Tiger is short on ground clearance. Another inch and bit more travel would help considerably off road ... especially when fully loaded. (or overloaded?) Looking forward to your full review of the bike and the ride. If there are legit problems Triumph need to know. We need more riders like you gals getting out there and beating on these bikes for months ... not just a few days. Kudos!

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I've been saying since before the T800 even began shipping that I would be shocked if Triumph didn't release an "XC R"-type model within a few years. I would expect it to come with fully-adjustable suspension, possibly standard aluminum skidplate and crashbars, maybe even knobby tires from the factory.

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Well, if it's a true "R", it should have Ohlins front and back. Big step up from the Showa items ... unless they switch to a Big Piston fork? I agree ... probably will be a few years before we see this bike. Triumph could do it special order, limited edition. I only brought it up because the Daytona "R" version is such a bargain. You're getting about $5000 worth of world class suspension for $1500.
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:03 AM   #7738
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I've been following the stalling threads on here and on the tiger uk forum. Mine is not (yet) doing it, but I spoke with my local dealer (uk based) earlier today and he confidently told me that a "magic bullet" is coming from triumph to all dealers towards the end of next week - a software patch apparently. He didn't know more than that, or what the specific issue itself is (save for the stalling) He went on to say that once the patch is loaded on their demo bike (which has the stalling problem) they'll see how it is and assuming it resolves it, will call in the owners with the stalling issue and get it sorted. So, hopefully that info might help someone - so put some pressure on your own dealers and see what they say.
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:09 AM   #7739
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I have the low gel seat on my bike my partner has the regular height grl seat and both of us are on the low setting. Works well. Yeah Triumph has been in touch with us they are completely updated. Other than the stalling seriously the suspension has done well loaded up and the rocky rough roads up here. Even hit a few craters by accident and all good. It's a great bike out of the box with of adv accessories.


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Old 08-05-2011, 11:17 AM   #7740
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Its not cool to come on here and tell everyone they are idiots and dont know how to ride thier bike.
Please share with me and the rest where I ever even remotely hinted at anyone being an idiot or that they don't know how to ride their bike...

You sure read a lot of things into other peoples posts.
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