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Old 08-16-2011, 06:34 PM   #7981
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Most OEM's offer or require some sort of Tech training. Most OEM's charge dealers for this service. Many dealers DO NOT comply. Some OEM's are tougher on this than others. In my experience the best dealers have techs with the latest certificates. When Suzuki went to F.I. they offered tech seminars. I'm sure Triumph has done the same for the 675 Daytona, Street Triple and now the F800 Tiger. All new bike means new stuff for the mechanics to learn.

It's probably the case your dealer has to shell out to fly his techs to Georgia ... plus pay for the seminar, hotel, per diem, et al.

Not a cheap date ... but all a write-off for the dealer. You're either IN or your OUT. Sounds like your dealer is not committed 100% to Triumph quite yet. Once he's lost 30 or 40 sales he may wise up ... but these kind of dealers tend to "have all the answers". Be interesting to see his face when Triumph pulls his dealership on him. Triumph have done this quite a bit in the last few years.
Heya Adv Grifter .....

As for tech training, yes ....... My local Triumph dealer had to get all of their techs certified on the 800 and 800xc before they could sell the bikes. I know that for a fact. They may have even had to have their techs certified before the demos came in ......

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Old 08-16-2011, 07:02 PM   #7982
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Why was it again I was waiting till next year to buy an XC ??????

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Old 08-16-2011, 07:44 PM   #7983
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I believe they are Bridgestone Battlewings ......

Oh, and yet another nice vid Lion ......

Why was it again I was waiting till next year to buy an XC ??????



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You guys made me go to the garage to check... yes, confirmed, they are Bridgestone Battlewing tires.

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Old 08-16-2011, 10:01 PM   #7984
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........I have the Pirelli scorpion tires, and was too lazy to air down when I videoed this.

Bike handles fine. It is not a small trails bike, there is no magic to make it do like those light bikes do on trails and dirt, but it is OK.
Hey Lion BR, that was a pretty cool video. I love the scenery up there. Will the 800 motor "tractor down" for the occasional technical crawl through? When I test rode the bike it was super hard to duplicate that sort of condition in the simple city route they had us on.

Do you find the footpegs too high for stand up riding? That was my only real complaint about the bike.
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Old 08-16-2011, 10:35 PM   #7985
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Hey Lion BR, that was a pretty cool video. I love the scenery up there. Will the 800 motor "tractor down" for the occasional technical crawl through? When I test rode the bike it was super hard to duplicate that sort of condition in the simple city route they had us on.

Do you find the footpegs too high for stand up riding? That was my only real complaint about the bike.
I think the standing position is great! Way better than my KLR or CRF. After riding this bike, I've realized my 250 really needs risers!!
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Old 08-16-2011, 11:46 PM   #7986
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Heya Adv Grifter .....

As for tech training, yes ....... My local Triumph dealer had to get all of their techs certified on the 800 and 800xc before they could sell the bikes. I know that for a fact. They may have even had to have their techs certified before the demos came in ......
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Who paid? Some dealers make the techs pay ... hopefully that is not too common.
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Old 08-17-2011, 01:38 AM   #7987
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WTF!? This is the 5th time i've tried to post this with it deleting my posts every time. ANYWAYS!!!!

Just because i know y'all care so much...i just got my 2012 Black on black XC ABS today!!!

Plans:
-Heated Grips (triumph)
-Panniers (Caribou 40L)
-Top Bag (Wolfman expedition Large)
-Crash Bars (Happy trails, whenever they come out with the damn things!)
-Skid Plate (SW motech?)
-Front Fender extender (triumph)
-Handlebar risers (Rox 2")
-Exhuast (custom)

Skid plate options?: SW motech, triumph, alt rider...any others?

Center Stand Options? SW motech, triumph?

What "fog" lights would you suggest? Denali D2?

Headlight screen? Tour tech?
Any other suggestions/options?
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Old 08-17-2011, 03:41 AM   #7988
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Will the 800 motor "tractor down" for the occasional technical crawl through? When I test rode the bike it was super hard to duplicate that sort of condition in the simple city route they had us on.

Do you find the footpegs too high for stand up riding? That was my only real complaint about the bike.
Answer to the first part is yes. It'll run down to tickover and pull away smoothly.
Second part, the answer could be to take out the rubber inserts in the footpegs.
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Old 08-17-2011, 03:58 AM   #7989
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WTF!? This is the 5th time i've tried to post this with it deleting my posts every time. ANYWAYS!!!!

Just because i know y'all care so much...i just got my 2012 Black on black XC ABS today!!!

Plans:
-Heated Grips (triumph)
-Panniers (Caribou 40L)
-Top Bag (Wolfman expedition Large)
-Crash Bars (Happy trails, whenever they come out with the damn things!)
-Skid Plate (SW motech?)
-Front Fender extender (triumph)
-Handlebar risers (Rox 2")
-Exhuast (custom)

Skid plate options?: SW motech, triumph, alt rider...any others?

Center Stand Options? SW motech, triumph?

What "fog" lights would you suggest? Denali D2?

Headlight screen? Tour tech?
Any other suggestions/options?
Congrats on your purchase.
I can only comment on the bits I have on mine. so...
SWmotech bash plate fits in 10 minutes and covers the oil filter which the Triumph one doesn't. Works great.
I have the Triumph centre stand and so far it seems up to the job. Although the springs could do with being a bit stronger to help prevent it bouncing on rough terrain.

You left something off of your list.........hand guards.
Those standard ones aren't worth shit. Piss weak and collapse on the first fall. Get yourself some Barkbusters or something.
I fitted some Tiger1050 ones I already had and they're 10X stronger than those std. ones and give really good weather protection.
You can see the 1050 ones here....
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Old 08-17-2011, 06:28 AM   #7990
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Hey Lion BR, that was a pretty cool video. I love the scenery up there. Will the 800 motor "tractor down" for the occasional technical crawl through? When I test rode the bike it was super hard to duplicate that sort of condition in the simple city route they had us on.

Do you find the footpegs too high for stand up riding? That was my only real complaint about the bike.
Well... I was not standing just because I was very far from experimenting with the laws of physics on the rides documented by these videos. I only stand up on real rough terrain, with major whoops, and when getting at them at speed. Something I don't envision doing with this bike, by the way (not that it can't possibly do). In the case of this video, I was just riding along.

But to really answer your question, the handle bars are too low and too forward for me on the normal riding position. I need bar risers that will also bring the bars towards me a bit (I see rox risers in my future). On this bike, my body position is leaned a bit too forward to reach the bars, and it can be a problem for me on long rides. But you see, I'm not coming from sport bikes ergos and the like...

About tractor down: first gear is taller than comparable bikes. A few times I released the clutch, 1st gear, when just coasting down on traffic (it will coast down), but I can feel the bike does not like accelerating out of the coast down (walking speed) without some clutch slippage or very very gradual acceleration. I did not try this bike on a steep trail.

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Old 08-17-2011, 10:53 AM   #7991
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But to really answer your question, the handle bars are too low and too forward for me on the normal riding position. I need bar risers that will also bring the bars towards me a bit (I see rox risers in my future). On this bike, my body position is leaned a bit too forward to reach the bars, and it can be a problem for me on long rides.
That was very much my feeling when I rode the bike. When I stood up on it I was very hunched over, maybe I have short arms??? Maybe removing the peg rubbers and/or a peg lowering kit, plus some bar risers would fix that pretty easily.


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About tractor down: first gear is taller than comparable bikes. A few times I released the clutch, 1st gear, when just coasting down on traffic (it will coast down), but I can feel the bike does not like accelerating out of the coast down (walking speed) without some clutch slippage or very very gradual acceleration. I did not try this bike on a steep trail.

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Answer to the first part is yes. It'll run down to tickover and pull away smoothly.

I felt 1st gear was pretty tall also, like a lot of bikes these days. I didn't get to ride it at full freeway speeds, but from what I did experience there didn't seem to be any worries about running out of top end speed. Maybe a simple sprocket change will sort that out.

Based on the two different feed backs, I wonder if the USA FI mapping is maybe not as ideal as the Euro mapping? I've read more than few problems about low speed fueling issues on the US models. Maybe this will all be fixable with a Power Commander or similar very shortly?

I thought the motor "felt" like it would be pretty happy pulling at low rpm with none of the snatching etc. usually found with a 90 deg V-twin or single.
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Cool to know! Do you happen to know if they were able to attend a seminar locally or did they have to travel? Or maybe they do it online now?
Who paid? Some dealers make the techs pay ... hopefully that is not too common.
The owner of the dealership paid, I know that much. IMHO it was in his best interest, because if he sells a few 800's he gets his money back. With that said, every 800 and XC he got in, he sold in a matter of just 2 to 3 weeks. I'm not kidding. So he definitely made his money back on paying for certification for his techs.

If the techs did have to travel, it wasn't far, as in only going up to Washington state, or down to California, because they weren't gone long enough for me to notice. I'm friends with the owner and the techs at my local Triumph shop. In fact, we kind of have a partnership of sorts going. I've setup their network in both the sales shop and the service shop, and worked with the manufacturer of their new (now 2 years old) sales / service / inventory program they purchased. I also do maintenance on their systems, etc .....

In return, I get special treatment to a degree, and cash - or bartering if I know I'm bringing a bike in, etc .......
A great deal of the time, the owner just wants to pay me for my services, knowing full well, that I'll just be handing the money back over to him for something.

Anyways, I think their techs did a short travel section, and then the rest was online. I could ask for the details, if you'd like ......

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So you could buy it from me.
Noted .......

Oh, I also need to still PM you .......

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The owner of the dealership paid, I know that much. IMHO it was in his best interest, because if he sells a few 800's he gets his money back. With that said, every 800 and XC he got in, he sold in a matter of just 2 to 3 weeks. I'm not kidding. So he definitely made his money back on paying for certification for his techs.

If the techs did have to travel, it wasn't far, as in only going up to Washington state, or down to California, because they weren't gone long enough for me to notice. I'm friends with the owner and the techs at my local Triumph shop. In fact, we kind of have a partnership of sorts going. I've setup their network in both the sales shop and the service shop, and worked with the manufacturer of their new (now 2 years old) sales / service / inventory program they purchased. I also do maintenance on their systems, etc .....

In return, I get special treatment to a degree, and cash - or bartering if I know I'm bringing a bike in, etc .......
A great deal of the time, the owner just wants to pay me for my services, knowing full well, that I'll just be handing the money back over to him for something.

Anyways, I think their techs did a short travel section, and then the rest was online. I could ask for the details, if you'd like ......

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BTW I met Rod and team and other riders for lunch in Steamboat last Sunday. I did not ride with them, as I had a wider loop planned. But I managed to be there when they arrived for lunch.
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