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Old 09-24-2011, 10:55 AM   #8611
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I don't know if people are still having trouble finding XC's or if supply has largely caught up with demand but I was just in the newly-reopened Triumph dealer in NYC today and noticed that they have 2 XC's on the floor (one white, one orange) and one white roadie. FYI.
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Old 09-24-2011, 11:16 AM   #8612
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It would appear that the latest maps released by Triumph have cured the issue. I have heard no reports of stalls after upgrading.
thanks for the info. any word on what the changes were?
did they go richer than their epa basemark maps supplied or use other techniques.
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Old 09-24-2011, 11:24 AM   #8613
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scorpion has a good reputation & a solid pipe for the price. it's called the poor mans staintune because of the stainless steel and the lifetime wool packing material they use.

staintune (considered by many to be the benchmark against all others) does not have a 800 pipe yet...but they will at some point.
http://www.staintune.com.au/exhausts/triumph/index.htm
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So how does the bike run with the Scorpion on? Drive-ability/fueling still good? Any obvious holes in power band? And the sound? Too loud? ... quiet? ... or just right?

I'd imagine it's less than half the weight of the stock pipe ... but have you actually weighed both side by side?

The real question for me is how will the Scorpion hold up in 3 years? I've seen many many Alu aftermarket pipe literally fall apart over time ... too short a time. What is the Scorpion rep like? Price?

I did have a great experience with my Remus Titanium pipes, which lasted 80K miles over 6 years. Sold them off ... probably still on the road somewhere. Solid product.
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Old 09-24-2011, 11:36 AM   #8614
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thanks for the info. any word on what the changes were?
did they go richer than their epa basemark maps supplied or use other techniques.
I used TuneECU to compare the 20496 map to the 20629 map; the changes I saw were all at the low RPM and small throttle opening range, with more fuel being introduced and primarily through injector #1. Idle was also moved from 1100 to 1200.

As a result of the upgrade I no longer experience any snatchiness at throttle close/open transitions. I prefer the newer map even though I never experienced any stalling.
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Old 09-24-2011, 11:48 AM   #8615
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Map differences

Here is the 20496 map for injector 1.



Same map and injector, different view.



Now, here is 20629's mapping for the same injector. Note the differences at the low RPM and small throttle opening. (lower left hand corner.)



And the line graph view of the same. You can see the wider spread on the blue lines at the left side.



Hope that this is helpful.

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Old 09-24-2011, 12:07 PM   #8616
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I used TuneECU to compare the 20496 map to the 20629 map; the changes I saw were all at the low RPM and small throttle opening range, with more fuel being introduced and primarily through injector #1. Idle was also moved from 1100 to 1200.

As a result of the upgrade I no longer experience any snatchiness at throttle close/open transitions. I prefer the newer map even though I never experienced any stalling.
cool. so tuneECU let you see what the official tune from Triumph entailed as far fine tuning?
do i have that correct? or are these tuneECU user created tunes? i do not understand 100% the realtionship between both or does Triumph as use tuneECU at the factory?

what about the guy going to Triumph dealer to get the latest fix? is this the same thing as can be found on tuneECU?

i will say that the ECU user interface and a user-based program like tuneECU is truly the future of FI as one is not dependent on the dealer for fixes/upgrades...similar to what changing jets etc. is to carb tuning.
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Old 09-24-2011, 12:10 PM   #8617
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cool. tuneECU is for the end user who can indeed richen up the bike any way they want. what about the tune from triumph at the dealer? triumph NA would be under much stricter constraints.
The maps I have are Triumph-spec maps; I merely switched maps on the bike. 20629 is the latest release for the XC with ABS and stock exhaust.

I didn't fiddle with any of the settings as I would probably make a mess of things. I guess the good part is that you can press the RESET button (reload a map) any time you like.
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Old 09-24-2011, 07:09 PM   #8618
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Exhausts other than Arrow

I know it's a free market out there, but I don't know why anyone would go with a pipe other than Arrow on the 800. When you buy the pipe, you get the new ECU map from Triumph for free. That saves about $300 for a PC V, and another $300-400 for a custom map.

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Old 09-24-2011, 07:28 PM   #8619
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So how does the bike run with the Scorpion on? Drive-ability/fueling still good? Any obvious holes in power band? And the sound? Too loud? ... quiet? ... or just right?

I'd imagine it's less than half the weight of the stock pipe ... but have you actually weighed both side by side?

The real question for me is how will the Scorpion hold up in 3 years? I've seen many many Alu aftermarket pipe literally fall apart over time ... too short a time. What is the Scorpion rep like? Price?

I did have a great experience with my Remus Titanium pipes, which lasted 80K miles over 6 years. Sold them off ... probably still on the road somewhere. Solid product.



The bike ran well today--no better or worse than usual.

It's not supposed to need ECU changes. Did not weigh them but it must be (as you said) less than half the weight of the stock muffler. The stock muffler was suprisingly heavy.

Fit and finish is excellent. Had a Scorpion before on a 1250 Bandit but didn't have it for 3 years so can't speak to long-term reliability.

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Old 09-24-2011, 07:36 PM   #8620
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I know it's a free market out there, but I don't know why anyone would go with a pipe other than Arrow on the 800. When you buy the pipe, you get the new ECU map from Triumph for free. That saves about $300 for a PC V, and another $300-400 for a custom map.

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One might "go with" the Scorpion because of price, ($305 vs. $799). The Scorpion DOES NOT require a remap, a PC V or a custom map..

One might go with the Scorpion because the Arrow Map gives the motor more fuel and therefore reduces fuel mileage.

One might go with the Scorpion because of the Carbon Fiber end-cap on the Arrow. Some people don't like the CF "look".

One might go with the Scorpion because it has 3 different "styles" (Stainless Oval like mine, Satin Titanium Oval, Carbon Fibre Oval). Arrow has one.

One might go with the Scorpion because if you damage it you get one at half MSRP.

Finally, one might go with the Scorpion because of it's life-time guarantee
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Old 09-24-2011, 08:08 PM   #8621
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I know it's a free market out there, but I don't know why anyone would go with a pipe other than Arrow on the 800. When you buy the pipe, you get the new ECU map from Triumph for free. That saves about $300 for a PC V, and another $300-400 for a custom map.
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Probably because of the price I'd reckon. That and the arrow doesn't appeal visually to everyone. I know I don't like the looks of it and think there are other pipes that look nicer, but that is a personal thing.

If you put on a pipe other than arrow and wanted to remap you could always get tuneECU ($0 and widely used by triumph owners), buy the interface cable (I got mine for $15 delivered and had no problems with it) and get a custom map and probably come out ahead or at least even. If you wanted to you could use the arrow map with any other pipe as well. There is no real need to get a an on box (PC3 or 5 or whatever) for the triumphs
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Old 09-24-2011, 08:56 PM   #8622
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I know it's a free market out there, but I don't know why anyone would go with a pipe other than Arrow on the 800. When you buy the pipe, you get the new ECU map from Triumph for free. That saves about $300 for a PC V, and another $300-400 for a custom map.

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i saw the (free) arrow tune on the tuneECU website...
arrow or scorpion or any other after market pipe are gonna be free flowing in the aprox. same manner...
the scorpion pipe is $300 and it's $15 to get the tune adapter...
does not seem like the arrow is that great of a deal.
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Old 09-25-2011, 02:55 AM   #8623
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Just pulled the trigger on a new white 2012 800xc last night.
Its my first experience with Triumph and this type of bike .
I only have a 100 miles on it but the fun factor has exceded my expectations , and just love the motor . Was not expecting the torque available at low revs.
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Old 09-25-2011, 04:21 AM   #8625
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Yesterday I put 150 miles on gravel, single track and twisties. This xc is amazing. I like the suspension, the smoothness and power of the 3 cylinders, the brakes, the seat and the overall look of the bike. Dislikes? Just one, we were riding in Steeler country, enemy territory.
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