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Old 10-25-2011, 08:39 AM   #9151
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Not necessarily; looks like either a 19" or maybe even a 21" front wheel. This immediately puts it in competition with the Yam 1200 Tenere, KTM 990 and BMW R12GS. Cruiser Class ADV/Touring!

19" definitely.

So far no one has mentioned a very major design element on this new bike:

Single Sided Swingarm!!! Triumph only use it on the Speed Triple. I wonder how it will hold up off road?

Hopefully better and stronger than the BMW efforts. AND, it has to have a shaft to entice those die hard BMW idiots, sorry, riders away from the German brand.

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Shaft Drive??
I notice not one photo angle showing the left side of the bike. Is this thing Shaft Drive? God, I hope not. That right there would add about 30 lbs. to the weight.

See above.

Obviously ... won't be as nimble or capable off road as the Tiger 800XC, but should compete well in the "Freighter Class" of ADV bikes.

I agree.

Me? I'll take the 800 ... but not until Triumph knock off another 20 lbs. or so. It's too heavy for an 800 IMHO.

Once you've loaded it up with bash guards, racks, luggage and gear ... you end up riding an over weight Pig that becomes a liability off road and not easy to handle. I've been all through this with BMW GS's and my V-Stroms. I'll stick with a Thumper for time being.

The 800XC is surprisingly nimble when you ride it in all situations. You only feel the weight when you have to pick it up. Apart from that down side, the way it handles give me, at least, the confidence to go and explore those back tracks.
Other current unknowns are :-
Power output. If it's 120+bhp how is the 150/70 rear tyre going to cope?
Wet weight. I think it'll be similar to the Tiger955i which will mean limited dirt road use.
Price. Gotta come in under £10K to beat the BMW.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:58 AM   #9152
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My thoughts.



Other current unknowns are :-
Power output. If it's 120+bhp how is the 150/70 rear tyre going to cope?
Wet weight. I think it'll be similar to the Tiger955i which will mean limited dirt road use.
Price. Gotta come in under £10K to beat the BMW.

You can talk about it all over here... http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=731205
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:15 AM   #9153
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I'm going to stick with the 800, it suits me fine. I tried a 1200GS for size and it just felt far too big and bulky for me and the Tiger 1200 will be a similar size.
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Old 10-25-2011, 10:43 AM   #9154
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Triumph Tiger 800XC: Thinking ahead in the fast growing adventure touring market, Safari is now developing an approx. 8 gallon fuel tank for the Tiger XC.

http://www.racerxonline.com/2011/04/...oming-releases
Hell yeh..... bring it NOW!!!

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Old 10-25-2011, 11:45 AM   #9155
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My thoughts.
The 800XC is surprisingly nimble when you ride it in all situations. You only feel the weight when you have to pick it up. Apart from that down side, the way it handles give me, at least, the confidence to go and explore those back tracks.

Other current unknowns are :-
Power output. If it's 120+bhp how is the 150/70 rear tyre going to cope?
Wet weight. I think it'll be similar to the Tiger955i which will mean limited dirt road use.
Price. Gotta come in under £10K to beat the BMW.
This is good to know. Confidence is very important ... good to see so many T800XC guys getting out there doing off road. Excellent! You guys are my heroes ... as I'm not buying a Tiger until I'm sure the thing can stand up to a hammering and survive!

Power
If you use all 120 HP obviously it will be hard on the tire ... any tire. But weight is just as much of a factor. But if Triumph go bigger than 150 section, what would they offer for an off road tire? I think a 150 is fine. Plenty tough. The 12GS probably still has more torque and they do OK.
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Old 10-25-2011, 11:55 AM   #9156
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thanks!
any comment on the strength of the cast wheels?
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Old 10-25-2011, 02:18 PM   #9157
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...More Confused ...

Now with the 1200 coming out which I thought I wanted, I'm not sure if I want ride-by-wire or ABS and traction control so I'm looking back at the 800 roadie . I have owned a 955i S3 and loved the motor I don't need anymore power but don't want to give much up either.

So I'm curious as to if some of you have riden or owned the older 955 tiger and what are your thoughts.

1) Did you give up much in performance from the 955i to the 800 or is it minimal ?

2) Is the 800 good as a two up bike as the 955i was, as this is very important to me?

I've sat on the bike(roadie version) at the dealers and liked its looks and seat height but wasn't sure if I would miss the power of the 955i for two up ,and now not sure if the 1200 went to far the other way. Also the 1050 tiger just doesn't do it for me I don't like the high passenger seat or how the bags sit on the bike. Thanks
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:20 PM   #9158
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Now with the 1200 coming out which I thought I wanted, I'm not sure if I want ride-by-wire or ABS and traction control so I'm looking back at the 800 roadie . I have owned a 955i S3 and loved the motor I don't need anymore power but don't want to give much up either.

So I'm curious as to if some of you have riden or owned the older 955 tiger and what are your thoughts.

1) Did you give up much in performance from the 955i to the 800 or is it minimal ?

2) Is the 800 good as a two up bike as the 955i was, as this is very important to me?

I've sat on the bike(roadie version) at the dealers and liked its looks and seat height but wasn't sure if I would miss the power of the 955i for two up ,and now not sure if the 1200 went to far the other way. Also the 1050 tiger just doesn't do it for me I don't like the high passenger seat or how the bags sit on the bike. Thanks
I still own a Tiger955i and have now done 11500 miles on my XC. I don't think the 800 loses much on the 955 because it weighs about 35Kgs less fully fuelled. To ride it feels much lighter ans swaps from side to side effortlessly compared to the 955 which needs a good tug.
Two up? I can't comment.
My choice between the two 800s was the XC because it was far more stable on the road. The std. 800 felt flighty over lumpy roads and you really needed to hang on to it and the XC didn't lose anything on the road either. The extra off road ability of the XC was, of course, a big bonus too.
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Old 10-25-2011, 05:35 PM   #9159
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Got an 06' 955 tiger & 11' 800xc. Like 'em both. The 800 has the power, but more linnear than 955. The Girlie has a surge around 6K rpm that feels like a 'boost' in acceleration. But passing trucks is just as quick on 800 as 955. My wife has her own bike - so cant comment on 2 up performance. The 800 does feel a bit more flickable - even with 21" tire. I still like the 955 for road / touring trips, where dirt isnt on the menu. Both good machines - but if i could only have 1 - it would likely be the 800. But I have NO plans to give up the Girlie.
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Old 10-25-2011, 05:50 PM   #9160
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[QUOTE=Rob Dirt;17149181]I finally got around to weighing my XC. This is with a full tank of gas, racks, guards, ect...

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I weighed my 800 ABS roadie the other day out of curiosity. It came in at 490 lbs. 250 pounds on the rear wheel and 240 pounds at the front wheel. This was fully fueled and bone stock, no accessories added (yet).
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Old 10-25-2011, 05:57 PM   #9161
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I'm going to stick with the 800, it suits me fine. I tried a 1200GS for size and it just felt far too big and bulky for me and the Tiger 1200 will be a similar size.

Same here. I just traded my 2009 Varadero in last September for the 800ABS roadie. I only had the Honda "SumoDero" for a year and although it is an awesome bike the weight is significant and all of it up high. I dropped it very slowly once thinking I had the sidestand down (Yes, I know....). I was barely able to bring it back up with my back against the bike and lifting with my legs. Being used to sportbikes, in the end I didn't want the weight. I would be surprised if the new Tiger 1200+ would scale in below 600lbs. Too much for my liking.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:30 PM   #9162
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Thanks blacktiger & jphish for your comments on the 800 and 955i tigers. I guess I need to take a test ride someday to see if I like it or not and if it will work for me.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:58 PM   #9163
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I weighed my 800 ABS roadie the other day out of curiosity. It came in at 490 lbs. 250 pounds on the rear wheel and 240 pounds at the front wheel. This was fully fueled and bone stock, no accessories added (yet).
Using a bathroom scale or any scale where front the rear wheels are weighed separately are not all that accurate. The Ride On scale shown above is most likely dead on. Notice the brand! Toledo.

There is a hospital near my house with a ride up scale at the loading ramp. They weigh laundry hampers. Once I ride up the ramp ... I can push the bike right on to the scale. Very accurate ... and never matches my bathroom scale figures ... which are always LIGHTER than the real industrial scale results.

Don't ask me to explain this ... I have no idea why bathroom scales don't work.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:13 PM   #9164
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I have no idea why bathroom scales don't work.
If you use a single scale and don't level the bike, the readings will be off.

Using bathroom scales, it's best to use two scales, leveled, one under each tire.

Back in my SCCA racing days we used a four-set of (racing, not bathroom) scales to help to figure out where weight needed to be in the car when it was fueled and had the driver on board. They always had to be at the same height for it to be a valid exercise.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:25 PM   #9165
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Is that an old VFR with knobs on the left? Looks interesting. How does it perform in the dirt?
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Yes it is, belongs to inmate FatherX. He goes wherever we go all the time.


Hey! Someone is using my name in vain

It's a 1984 VF500f with a Shinko 244 front and a Dunlop 850A rear (or Kenda 761 for dinner dates).






How does it handle on dirt?

Pretty darn good for a 20something sport bike. .




OK


Back to your triple fluted, beastly farklemania .



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