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Old 10-25-2011, 04:20 PM   #9151
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Now with the 1200 coming out which I thought I wanted, I'm not sure if I want ride-by-wire or ABS and traction control so I'm looking back at the 800 roadie . I have owned a 955i S3 and loved the motor I don't need anymore power but don't want to give much up either.

So I'm curious as to if some of you have riden or owned the older 955 tiger and what are your thoughts.

1) Did you give up much in performance from the 955i to the 800 or is it minimal ?

2) Is the 800 good as a two up bike as the 955i was, as this is very important to me?

I've sat on the bike(roadie version) at the dealers and liked its looks and seat height but wasn't sure if I would miss the power of the 955i for two up ,and now not sure if the 1200 went to far the other way. Also the 1050 tiger just doesn't do it for me I don't like the high passenger seat or how the bags sit on the bike. Thanks
I still own a Tiger955i and have now done 11500 miles on my XC. I don't think the 800 loses much on the 955 because it weighs about 35Kgs less fully fuelled. To ride it feels much lighter ans swaps from side to side effortlessly compared to the 955 which needs a good tug.
Two up? I can't comment.
My choice between the two 800s was the XC because it was far more stable on the road. The std. 800 felt flighty over lumpy roads and you really needed to hang on to it and the XC didn't lose anything on the road either. The extra off road ability of the XC was, of course, a big bonus too.
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Old 10-25-2011, 05:35 PM   #9152
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Got an 06' 955 tiger & 11' 800xc. Like 'em both. The 800 has the power, but more linnear than 955. The Girlie has a surge around 6K rpm that feels like a 'boost' in acceleration. But passing trucks is just as quick on 800 as 955. My wife has her own bike - so cant comment on 2 up performance. The 800 does feel a bit more flickable - even with 21" tire. I still like the 955 for road / touring trips, where dirt isnt on the menu. Both good machines - but if i could only have 1 - it would likely be the 800. But I have NO plans to give up the Girlie.
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Old 10-25-2011, 05:50 PM   #9153
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[QUOTE=Rob Dirt;17149181]I finally got around to weighing my XC. This is with a full tank of gas, racks, guards, ect...

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I weighed my 800 ABS roadie the other day out of curiosity. It came in at 490 lbs. 250 pounds on the rear wheel and 240 pounds at the front wheel. This was fully fueled and bone stock, no accessories added (yet).
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Old 10-25-2011, 05:57 PM   #9154
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I'm going to stick with the 800, it suits me fine. I tried a 1200GS for size and it just felt far too big and bulky for me and the Tiger 1200 will be a similar size.

Same here. I just traded my 2009 Varadero in last September for the 800ABS roadie. I only had the Honda "SumoDero" for a year and although it is an awesome bike the weight is significant and all of it up high. I dropped it very slowly once thinking I had the sidestand down (Yes, I know....). I was barely able to bring it back up with my back against the bike and lifting with my legs. Being used to sportbikes, in the end I didn't want the weight. I would be surprised if the new Tiger 1200+ would scale in below 600lbs. Too much for my liking.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:30 PM   #9155
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Thanks blacktiger & jphish for your comments on the 800 and 955i tigers. I guess I need to take a test ride someday to see if I like it or not and if it will work for me.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:58 PM   #9156
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I weighed my 800 ABS roadie the other day out of curiosity. It came in at 490 lbs. 250 pounds on the rear wheel and 240 pounds at the front wheel. This was fully fueled and bone stock, no accessories added (yet).
Using a bathroom scale or any scale where front the rear wheels are weighed separately are not all that accurate. The Ride On scale shown above is most likely dead on. Notice the brand! Toledo.

There is a hospital near my house with a ride up scale at the loading ramp. They weigh laundry hampers. Once I ride up the ramp ... I can push the bike right on to the scale. Very accurate ... and never matches my bathroom scale figures ... which are always LIGHTER than the real industrial scale results.

Don't ask me to explain this ... I have no idea why bathroom scales don't work.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:13 PM   #9157
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I have no idea why bathroom scales don't work.
If you use a single scale and don't level the bike, the readings will be off.

Using bathroom scales, it's best to use two scales, leveled, one under each tire.

Back in my SCCA racing days we used a four-set of (racing, not bathroom) scales to help to figure out where weight needed to be in the car when it was fueled and had the driver on board. They always had to be at the same height for it to be a valid exercise.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:25 PM   #9158
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Is that an old VFR with knobs on the left? Looks interesting. How does it perform in the dirt?
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Yes it is, belongs to inmate FatherX. He goes wherever we go all the time.


Hey! Someone is using my name in vain

It's a 1984 VF500f with a Shinko 244 front and a Dunlop 850A rear (or Kenda 761 for dinner dates).






How does it handle on dirt?

Pretty darn good for a 20something sport bike. .




OK


Back to your triple fluted, beastly farklemania .



I'm NOT jealous or anything.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:44 PM   #9159
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If you use a single scale and don't level the bike, the readings will be off.

Using bathroom scales, it's best to use two scales, leveled, one under each tire.

Back in my SCCA racing days we used a four-set of (racing, not bathroom) scales to help to figure out where weight needed to be in the car when it was fueled and had the driver on board. They always had to be at the same height for it to be a valid exercise.

I did use a bathroom scale but I made sure each wheel was at the same elevation by shoring it up with a 2x4 and some plywood. The scale is fairly accurate, although not quite up to the spec of a Toledo. I weigh myself at a clinic on a slide scale, then go home and calibrate the bathroom scale to match. It should be pretty good. With a claimed curb weight of 462 lbs for the 800 Roadie I was a little disappointed to see a total of 490 lbs. Maybe they put helium in the tires.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:04 PM   #9160
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Not necessarily; looks like either a 19" or maybe even a 21" front wheel. This immediately puts it in competition with the Yam 1200 Tenere, KTM 990 and BMW R12GS. Cruiser Class ADV/Touring!

So far no one has mentioned a very major design element on this new bike:

Single Sided Swingarm!!! Triumph only use it on the Speed Triple. I wonder how it will hold up off road?

AND

Shaft Drive??
I notice not one photo angle showing the left side of the bike. Is this thing Shaft Drive? God, I hope not. That right there would add about 30 lbs. to the weight.

Cast wheels can be very tough, depending how they are built. My DL1000 Vstrom wheels were truly amazing ... as tough as any dirt bike wheels I've ever seen. Baja tested. Not like the old days. Heavy as Hell but strong.

If Triumph manage to keep the weight down (like they did with the 1050), then the big Tiger could be a player.

Obviously ... won't be as nimble or capable off road as the Tiger 800XC, but should compete well in the "Freighter Class" of ADV bikes.
Me? I'll take the 800 ... but not until Triumph knock off another 20 lbs. or so. It's too heavy for an 800 IMHO.

Once you've loaded it up with bash guards, racks, luggage and gear ... you end up riding an over weight Pig that becomes a liability off road and not easy to handle. I've been all through this with BMW GS's and my V-Stroms. I'll stick with a Thumper for time being.
Sprint ST's and some models of the Sprint RS (1 year - the last I believe) as well as most model year Daytona 955i's use/had SSSA so they do have a fair bit of experience with them.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:19 PM   #9161
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Sprint ST's and some models of the Sprint RS (1 year - the last I believe) as well as most model year Daytona 955i's use/had SSSA so they do have a fair bit of experience with them.
Your correct on the history ... and I'm aware of it. I meant Current production. I probably did not make that clear.

It will be interesting to hear Triumph's sales pitch on this new Tiger. Remember how Triumph would always Poo Poo any mention of taking earlier Tigers off road ... insisting they were NOT designed in any way to stand off road rigors. So how will they spin the 1200? Maybe like BMW ... using Dakar Pro racers and really long lenses at magic hour ... ripping it up in some impossible terrain?

Funny ... I took both my '95 Steamer and '99 Girlie mildly off road. A bit scary, but not so bad. The Steamer was the better of the two. My 1050 is dreadful and scares the shit out of me. (I see only BIG $$$$ signs and invoices for body parts and radiators and such )

I've never been comfy on BIG heavy bikes off road. Except my Vstrom ... which would not crash. We just bonded.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:37 PM   #9162
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Your correct on the history ... and I'm aware of it. I meant Current production. I probably did not make that clear.

It will be interesting to hear Triumph's sales pitch on this new Tiger. Remember how Triumph would always Poo Poo any mention of taking earlier Tigers off road ... insisting they were NOT designed in any way to stand off road rigors. So how will they spin the 1200? Maybe like BMW ... using Dakar Pro racers and really long lenses at magic hour ... ripping it up in some impossible terrain?

Funny ... I took both my '95 Steamer and '99 Girlie mildly off road. A bit scary, but not so bad. The Steamer was the better of the two. My 1050 is dreadful and scares the shit out of me. (I see only BIG $$$$ signs and invoices for body parts and radiators and such )

I've never been comfy on BIG heavy bikes off road. Except my Vstrom ... which would not crash. We just bonded.
You need to get off the fense and buy yourself a Tiger 800XC and get the same smile on your face we all have
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:27 AM   #9163
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You need to get off the fense and buy yourself a Tiger 800XC and get the same smile on your face we all have
Yeah! Come on Mr Grifter, get on it.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:53 AM   #9164
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Hogslayer - One point of consideration: A late model, well equipped Girlie (05-06) can be had for around $5K. With its 19" front wheel, can accomodate many dual sport tires, including Anakee's & TKCs. (the Roadies have 17" front) Thus equiped, it is a reasonably capable dirt road bike & fine adventure touring machine. I've taken my 06' on many miles of dirt roads with narry a hiccup... riders skills notwithstanding. The Girlie is one of the most under rated bikes out there. Some opine that it's dated styling is, well,... ugly. I find it iconic, but pleasing to look at - actually better looking than my 800, in a post industrial sort of way. Just something to consider, if you want to save about $10K over a new 800 & still have a great motorcycle. Would be happy to send iphone photos of both bikes if you wish, just let me know @ johnpdaly@comcast.net
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:44 AM   #9165
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Hogslayer - One point of consideration: A late model, well equipped Girlie (05-06) can be had for around $5K. With its 19" front wheel, can accomodate many dual sport tires, including Anakee's & TKCs. (the Roadies have 17" front)
What's a Girlie and what's a Roadie? The 800 roads have 19" fronts.
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