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Old 05-13-2012, 08:19 PM   #12721
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Testing the limits of the fuel gage.

So, I swapped the new tube into the rear tire and set off for the gas station. Nearest is 8 miles from my house. Had two bars on the gauge, so figured all was well. Made it 7 miles on the gravel and stopped at the highway to turn to make the last mile. Bike ran rough, trying to idle at 300 rpm and died when I pulled in the clutch at the up to the stop sign. Tried four times to start it. It would bump to 300 rpm and then die again. I was starting to think stepper motor. Finally on the fifth try it started but I had to keep the revs up manually. Surprisingly it ran fine up the highway to the gas station. No stumbles at all under power but if I pulled in the clutch it would stumble and die. Let out the clutch in 6th while going down the highway and it fired up and ran smooth. Did this a couple of times just to see what would happen. It always died. Filled up and it took 4 gallons to the jail bars. Never stuttered or stumbled after getting gas and I did another 40 miles. In fact, after getting gas it started and idled perfectly. Manual says it has a 5 gallon tank but I don't know how full "full" is above the jail bars or how much was left with two bars on the fuel gauge. Low fuel light was on for a total of 10 miles but on my Daytona that usually meant one gallon. Bike ran perfectly under throttle but died at idle every time.

Thoughts?

Oh, and I threw away the little pieces of plastic that I was using to protect the rim from scratches. I figured, it's going to get scratched, I'm going to be switching between knobbies and roadies as needed and if I have a flat in the wild I won't have my little pieces of plastic. So, first scratch is there. I no longer have to worry about perfect rims. It's very liberating.
You may have some water in your tank. My truck had similar issues. I had to drain my fuel tank and start over. It would run fine, until I got it too low. The culprit was a local filling station with water in their tanks.
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:58 PM   #12722
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I run mine to one bar all the time. Filled up yesterday @ 199.5 miles, 4.7 gallons. Computer said --- miles to empty. I always fill up to just above the bars. I have the Arrow can with the latest tune, mileage improved a little with this tune.

+1. To have trouble with two bars left seems odd and to only be able to put 4 gallons into it seems to indicate it was not a low fuel problem.
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:01 PM   #12723
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I'm in Valrico and would like to take you up on that offer as long as the trails are hardpack I'm good to go with my roadie.

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Ron this is rcdave from Tsb. We need to get together buddy. NC trips often this year.
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Old 05-13-2012, 10:50 PM   #12724
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Hi All!

I haven't checked in with this thread in quite sometime, but I'm due. I've got 12,000 miles on Hobbes now and everything is fantastic! I've been some incredible places and this bike continues to amaze me.

Checking in to let you all know I just finished the R&D with Jay Jobes from Sasquatch Suspensions in Boise, ID.

When I first showed up to his shop, we checked the sags. Zero fuel and no safety gear they were totally blown out. And I'm only 5'10" and 180 lbs. We did custom springs in the front and rear as well as his custom two stage valving. The bike is now set up so that with full fuel, full safety gear, and zero preload on the rear, things are a bit on the stiff side. Once I put my camping gear or panniers on the back, it's right where it should be.

I went out an rode rode some rough stuff on Saturday. Holy crap! I thought it was good before! Now the front end is much more planted in all aspects. Especially washboard in corners. It doesn't drift and just tracks! The rear never bottomed out all day. That was a problem for me before. And once again, I'm only 180 lbs. I could feel more power making it to the dirt and I was loving it!

If you feel the suspension is lacking on the Tiger 800/800XC, you need to give Jay a call. This man has worked wonders on this bike!

Contact him HERE!

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Old 05-14-2012, 05:07 AM   #12725
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Is it me and the way my tank bag sits or does everyone get the steady blast of dust and dirt blowing up between the front cluster and tank directly under your helmet ?
It gets sucked up by the vacuum behind the screen and comes in each side of the headlamps. The bike needs some deflectors in that region similar to what you can see on a BMW (bloody hell, I don't believe I'm saying this!) R1200GS/Adv.
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Old 05-14-2012, 06:14 AM   #12726
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Hi All!

I haven't checked in with this thread in quite sometime, but I'm due. I've got 12,000 miles on Hobbes now and everything is fantastic! I've been some incredible places and this bike continues to amaze me.

Checking in to let you all know I just finished the R&D with Jay Jobes from Sasquatch Suspensions in Boise, ID.

When I first showed up to his shop, we checked the sags. Zero fuel and no safety gear they were totally blown out. And I'm only 5'10" and 180 lbs. We did custom springs in the front and rear as well as his custom two stage valving. The bike is now set up so that with full fuel, full safety gear, and zero preload on the rear, things are a bit on the stiff side. Once I put my camping gear or panniers on the back, it's right where it should be.

I went out an rode rode some rough stuff on Saturday. Holy crap! I thought it was good before! Now the front end is much more planted in all aspects. Especially washboard in corners. It doesn't drift and just tracks! The rear never bottomed out all day. That was a problem for me before. And once again, I'm only 180 lbs. I could feel more power making it to the dirt and I was loving it!

If you feel the suspension is lacking on the Tiger 800/800XC, you need to give Jay a call. This man has worked wonders on this bike!

Contact him HERE!

Here's Jay saying hello to all YFFs.



Jelous!!! Too bad hes so far away!!!
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Old 05-14-2012, 06:19 AM   #12727
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Testing the limits of the fuel gage.

So, I swapped the new tube into the rear tire and set off for the gas station. Nearest is 8 miles from my house. Had two bars on the gauge, so figured all was well. Made it 7 miles on the gravel and stopped at the highway to turn to make the last mile. Bike ran rough, trying to idle at 300 rpm and died when I pulled in the clutch at the up to the stop sign. Tried four times to start it. It would bump to 300 rpm and then die again. I was starting to think stepper motor. Finally on the fifth try it started but I had to keep the revs up manually. Surprisingly it ran fine up the highway to the gas station. No stumbles at all under power but if I pulled in the clutch it would stumble and die. Let out the clutch in 6th while going down the highway and it fired up and ran smooth. Did this a couple of times just to see what would happen. It always died. Filled up and it took 4 gallons to the jail bars. Never stuttered or stumbled after getting gas and I did another 40 miles. In fact, after getting gas it started and idled perfectly. Manual says it has a 5 gallon tank but I don't know how full "full" is above the jail bars or how much was left with two bars on the fuel gauge. Low fuel light was on for a total of 10 miles but on my Daytona that usually meant one gallon. Bike ran perfectly under throttle but died at idle every time.

Thoughts?

Oh, and I threw away the little pieces of plastic that I was using to protect the rim from scratches. I figured, it's going to get scratched, I'm going to be switching between knobbies and roadies as needed and if I have a flat in the wild I won't have my little pieces of plastic. So, first scratch is there. I no longer have to worry about perfect rims. It's very liberating.
While the bike was running rough did you cycle the on off switch or the ignition key? whey you fueled up you would of turned your bike off to open your tank. This would have "reset" your computer.
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Old 05-14-2012, 06:42 AM   #12728
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While the bike was running rough did you cycle the on off switch or the ignition key? whey you fueled up you would of turned your bike off to open your tank. This would have "reset" your computer.
When running rough there was no key cycling, just kept hitting the starter button until it caught. I thought of the key cycling later when I thought stepper motor.
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Old 05-14-2012, 07:38 AM   #12729
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AV_Mech,

Still happy with the HT engine guards? I see they are finally advertising the nerf bars for sale on their site. I am torn between those and the Alt rider bars.
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Old 05-14-2012, 07:47 AM   #12730
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I found that with the stock baffle, the sound is very much the same as the stock exhaust.
Interesting...I noticed a pretty dramatic change in tone with the stock LV baffle. Much more "growl" than stock to my ears, while not being obnoxious to me or others.
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:26 AM   #12731
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Jelous!!! Too bad hes so far away!!!
Drop your shock. Drop your forks. Box em and ship em! He does work for people all over the country. I think he tells people a five day turnaround.
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:42 AM   #12732
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AV_Mech,

Still happy with the HT engine guards? I see they are finally advertising the nerf bars for sale on their site. I am torn between those and the Alt rider bars.
LOVE THEM!! I've had the bike dumped over about 40 times now. Riding stuff an 800 has no business being on. Still haven't bent them or damaged anything. They're holding up great!
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:34 AM   #12733
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Drop your shock. Drop your forks. Box em and ship em! He does work for people all over the country. I think he tells people a five day turnaround.
I exchanged a few emails with Jay a couple of weeks ago. His price estimates to re-spring/re-valve the forks on my roadie was quite reasonable and i am going to do it. I just have to wait for some point when I can most tolerate being without my motorcycle so I can send him my forks. It might be a while.
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:31 AM   #12734
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Hi All!
I haven't checked in with this thread in quite sometime, but I'm due. I've got 12,000 miles on Hobbes now and everything is fantastic! I've been some incredible places and this bike continues to amaze me.

Checking in to let you all know I just finished the R&D with Jay Jobes from Sasquatch Suspensions in Boise, ID.

When I first showed up to his shop, we checked the sags. Zero fuel and no safety gear they were totally blown out. And I'm only 5'10" and 180 lbs. We did custom springs in the front and rear as well as his custom two stage valving. The bike is now set up so that with full fuel, full safety gear, and zero preload on the rear, things are a bit on the stiff side. Once I put my camping gear or panniers on the back, it's right where it should be.

I went out an rode rode some rough stuff on Saturday. Holy crap! I thought it was good before! Now the front end is much more planted in all aspects. Especially washboard in corners. It doesn't drift and just tracks! The rear never bottomed out all day. That was a problem for me before. And once again, I'm only 180 lbs. I could feel more power making it to the dirt and I was loving it!

If you feel the suspension is lacking on the Tiger 800/800XC, you need to give Jay a call. This man has worked wonders on this bike!
Contact him HERE!
Here's Jay saying hello to all YFFs.
Sounds good! Couple questions about what was done.
Do you know what Spring rates you now have ... and what stock spring rates are? (front and rear) in kgs. ? I'm around the same weight ... so just curious what rates you went with.

Forks
I've forgotten, is the XC 45mm fork a Cartridge or Damper rod type? If damper rods, did Jay install any sort of Emulator device? Damper rods drilled? If Cartridge, did he replace the stock Pistons? Holes drilled?

Do you recall your stock Sag numbers? And what are the NEW Sag numbers now? (Race Sag)

I'm surprised to hear the stock items were "Blown Out", since most reviews site just how good the stock suspension is. On my several test rides I was not all that impressed with the ride. It was good but not perfect on rough NorCal roads. Never went off road, can't comment there.

Suspension upgrades have always blown my mind on every bike I've had the work done on. Hard to imagine how firmer springs makes for a more PLUSH ride! Paul Thede (Race Tech) explains this in some of his essays on the subject.

Any feedback appreciated
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:45 AM   #12735
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Sounds good! Couple questions about what was done.
Do you know what Spring rates you now have ... and what stock spring rates are? (front and rear) in kgs. ? I'm around the same weight ... so just curious what rates you went with.

Forks
I've forgotten, is the XC 45mm fork a Cartridge or Damper rod type? If damper rods, did Jay install any sort of Emulator device? Damper rods drilled? If Cartridge, did he replace the stock Pistons? Holes drilled?

Do you recall your stock Sag numbers? And what are the NEW Sag numbers now? (Race Sag)

I'm surprised to hear the stock items were "Blown Out", since most reviews site just how good the stock suspension is. On my several test rides I was not all that impressed with the ride. It was good but not perfect on rough NorCal roads. Never went off road, can't comment there.

Suspension upgrades have always blown my mind on every bike I've had the work done on. Hard to imagine how firmer springs makes for a more PLUSH ride! Paul Thede (Race Tech) explains this in some of his essays on the subject.

Any feedback appreciated
Jay's gonna get those sag numbers to me and I can share those. The spring rates, I think he'll want to keep that info private, since this is how he puts bread on the table. I know we jumped up a few notches though! I'll see what else I can find out about the forks for ya.
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