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Old 06-08-2012, 08:53 PM   #12991
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Help! Engine suddenly rattling like it's wasted

All, would post this in the "Tiger 800 problems" but I don't know yet if I have a problem (though I'm pretty sure I do).

I've got a 2012 Roadie, about 3 months old, and just a tad over 2500 mi. Relatively babied on break in, got the 600 mi. service from the dealer at about 700 mi - which included all the normal stuff with no outstanding issues.
I ride the bike on a 56 mile RT commute every day, and vary my speed quite a bit since it's highway stop and go and lane splitting. Today is Friday and on Wednesday morning I started it up and it sounded clackity, from the top of the motor.
It's gotten worse every moment since and I just swung by the dealer and have an appointment on next Wed. to have the dealer mechanic pull the valve covers off and have a look - cam, valves, timing chain, etc.

It sounds like a bike that's run outta oil, but the oil level is spot on. I check it pretty religiously. No residue in the tail pipe, just a tiny bit of carbon. This, plus the fact that the oil level has never changed leads me to believe I'm not burning or losing oil. The clack is so loud, my decidedly non-mechanical wife can hear it plain as day.

I'm pretty worried since it sounds like ass, and I absolutely LOVE the bike. I won't ride it again until I have to take it to the dealer - which is unfortunately about a 25 mile fwy. ride, so I'm just gonna stew and fret.

Any insights from the peanut gallery?
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Old 06-09-2012, 04:22 AM   #12992
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Today is Friday and on Wednesday morning I started it up and it sounded clackity, from the top of the motor.
It's gotten worse every moment since and I just swung by the dealer and have an appointment on next Wed. to have the dealer mechanic pull the valve covers off and have a look - cam, valves, timing chain, etc.

It sounds like a bike that's run outta oil, but the oil level is spot on. I check it pretty religiously. No residue in the tail pipe, just a tiny bit of carbon. This, plus the fact that the oil level has never changed leads me to believe I'm not burning or losing oil. The clack is so loud, my decidedly non-mechanical wife can hear it plain as day.

I'm pretty worried since it sounds like ass, and I absolutely LOVE the bike. I won't ride it again until I have to take it to the dealer - which is unfortunately about a 25 mile fwy. ride, so I'm just gonna stew and fret.

Any insights from the peanut gallery?
Mine did the same thing after sitting in stop............and go traffic for about 3.5 hours in 95deg heat to and from the Indy 500. You could hear the valve train rattle for 30 seconds or so after it started and then the noise would go away. My take was that the oil (Honda branded MC oil) had broken down from the extreme heat and was not leaving a film in the head for startup, so I changed it out with Castrol MC synthetic. Problem was immediately resolved. Motorcycles are hard on oil. Idling them and running them at low speed in the heat is even harder on oil.
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Old 06-09-2012, 05:09 AM   #12993
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Mine has slight rattle on start up - goes away after about a minute. Doesnt sound like valves & it isnt the oil (just changed it with 10/40 AMS) I think it maybe cam chain tensioner. I'll have them check it out when I get kickstand recall done.
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Old 06-09-2012, 05:16 AM   #12994
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It's an oil issue. Make sure your at the full mark. And make sure your using full synthetic.

I was at the dealer yesterday & my T8 made a grinding sound when he cranked it to install the latest tune. He immediately said that sound means the oil is low. Sure enough, the oil level was at the bottom of my site glass. He topped it off & it has not made that sound again.
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Old 06-09-2012, 11:00 AM   #12995
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Stupid question posted from a cell phone: did they change the oil drain plug from a traditional external to a set in torx looking jobby?
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Old 06-09-2012, 11:04 AM   #12996
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Stupid question posted from a cell phone: did they change the oil drain plug from a traditional external to a set in torx looking jobby?
Sort of, it's an 8mm internal hex pipe plug.

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Old 06-09-2012, 11:14 AM   #12997
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Thanks for the swift respose. The owner's manual shows a traditional one, and all I see is what you describedl.. it seemed obvious, but I figured better to check then wtf!! LOL
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Old 06-09-2012, 11:21 AM   #12998
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Does it use a washer any longer?
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Old 06-09-2012, 11:59 AM   #12999
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Heres why I ask:

I remove the drain plug... first loosen with a hex key, then loosen the rest of the way with my fingertips. It comes loose, and falls into the drain pan accompanied by a gush of oil.

To, y dismay, the oil level in the drain pan keeps rising! I reach into the midst of the rising oil puddle to discover that the drain plug fell perfectly into the hole in the center of the oil catch pan (one of those multi gallon plastic types).

When I fish out the plug, the oil drains... revealing a washer. I didn't recall seeing a washer in the oil drain pan before, but I didn't recall one coming with the bike's drain plug. It fits, and other oil change threads indicate a washer is used...... so I reused it.
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Old 06-09-2012, 12:10 PM   #13000
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LOL, been there done that and yes it does use a washer, sorry forgot to mention that. The diagram is a little misleading in that it shows a standard hex head bolt, but you figured it out so all's good.

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Old 06-09-2012, 12:15 PM   #13001
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Other than a little deception in the owner's manual... I've been loving this bike. ;) thanks for the assist... I also called Bueller, who gets to hear all of my mechanical tales of woe. He confirmed the washer. Remind me to tell you of the time I changed the oil on my new Wrangler, and the factory filter was on so tight, it left the gasket on the block and I didn't notice... oy vey!
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Old 06-09-2012, 12:38 PM   #13002
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It's an oil issue. Make sure your at the full mark. And make sure your using full synthetic.

I was at the dealer yesterday & my T8 made a grinding sound when he cranked it to install the latest tune. He immediately said that sound means the oil is low. Sure enough, the oil level was at the bottom of my site glass. He topped it off & it has not made that sound again.
It seems crazy that it could be an oil issue to make that much noise but I don't doubt the experiences posted. Will be interested to hear what happens with frytown.
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Old 06-09-2012, 02:26 PM   #13003
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It seems crazy that it could be an oil issue to make that much noise but I don't doubt the experiences posted. Will be interested to hear what happens with frytown.
Remember a few Triumph triples have been known to go through a wee bit of oil. I think it was Bike magazine that blew up a Tiger 1050 by letting it get low on oil. We've had no issues with my wife's Street Triple and I don't have enough miles on my Tiger. I regularly check my oil anyway so not really a concern.
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Old 06-09-2012, 03:59 PM   #13004
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All, would post this in the "Tiger 800 problems" but I don't know yet if I have a problem (though I'm pretty sure I do).

I've got a 2012 Roadie, about 3 months old, and just a tad over 2500 mi. Relatively babied on break in, got the 600 mi. service from the dealer at about 700 mi - which included all the normal stuff with no outstanding issues.
I ride the bike on a 56 mile RT commute every day, and vary my speed quite a bit since it's highway stop and go and lane splitting. Today is Friday and on Wednesday morning I started it up and it sounded clackity, from the top of the motor.
It's gotten worse every moment since and I just swung by the dealer and have an appointment on next Wed. to have the dealer mechanic pull the valve covers off and have a look - cam, valves, timing chain, etc.

It sounds like a bike that's run outta oil, but the oil level is spot on. I check it pretty religiously. No residue in the tail pipe, just a tiny bit of carbon. This, plus the fact that the oil level has never changed leads me to believe I'm not burning or losing oil. The clack is so loud, my decidedly non-mechanical wife can hear it plain as day.

I'm pretty worried since it sounds like ass, and I absolutely LOVE the bike. I won't ride it again until I have to take it to the dealer - which is unfortunately about a 25 mile fwy. ride, so I'm just gonna stew and fret.

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Don't ride it! Have it towed or borrow a truck!
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Old 06-09-2012, 06:13 PM   #13005
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It's under warranty, right? Ride it...and carry a cell phone.
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