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Old 06-27-2012, 11:16 AM   #13201
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I just went through the same decision process. My background was dirt as a kid and years of supersport road. I'm 44 and have started a bunch of touring and was trying to decide between the two, X/C or Roadie. I will say I was bound and determined to get the X/C when I started the looking.

I had a great test drive of both bikes on the same day. I found the same as you described between the handling but also the X/C did not like fast entries into the corners. The 21" front tire definitely will be better off-road but on the pavement, the 19" on the Roadie has a much better feel and is more predictable.

I would base your decision on what kind of riding you came from and what you intend to do. Be practical. I wanted the X/C but the reality is that most of my riding will be on some sort of pavement and the Roadie is much better suited for that. The Roadie is completely capable of off-road, yes, not to the degree of the X/C, but if I want to do that much hard core off-road, I'll go back to my DR650.

You can't go wrong with either and if you really are taken by the look of the X/C, the beak is a cheap add. I bought the Roadie, added the beak and couldn't be happier. Truly one of the best all around bikes I have ever owned.

Good luck!
Good thoughts here. We sound similar as I also have the TE630 for real dualsporting. I'm really buying a roadbike, so that's why I initially was focused on the roadie. I did notice the handling difference, the roadie is definitely a little sharper and was just as plush on the road. I worry about 2-up on the XC, with gear, wallowing in the sweepers. Wifey is unnerved enough without creating s-weaves in the corners.

From what part of the country are you?

EDIT: oh yeah, not particularly enamored by the XC looks. From the cockpit they both look the same. The XC has a little more aggressive look to it with the big front tire, the black rims, and the taller suspension. The beak? I could care less - it just looks like a BMW knock-off to me. LOL.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:01 PM   #13202
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Okay tiger owners...help me out here. I've read most of the 800 pages, maybe skipped a few.
Chris, if you recall I also came from a versys.

I bought a 2011 demo roadie in January this year after deciding to sell my 07 cbr600 and my versys to go to one bike.

Two up the wife says its was smoother than the Versys. I am 150lbs she is 110lbs. The front suspension feels better with her on it. From what i have read, quite a few in my weight range find the forks a bit harsh. Me included. However people that weigh more seem more happy with it.

The XC is certainly capable of rougher roads than the roadie.

I choose the roadie because like others didn't want tubed tires and also I didn't want to pay the extra price. Over the last few months I have been more and more interested in riding rougher stuff. To the point where I had started to contemplate trading to an XC. Then I thought about it more and for me, realized if I was going to be riding stuff beyond dirt roads I'd rather not be doing it on a 500lb bike. Also, in BFE I felt like I'd trust something else a bit more. So, when the time is right I'll be picking up a used 08+ WR250R.

I've had no problems with my roadie and as you've noticed, the engine is smooth as hell. A welcome characteristic after the versys (which is still a great bike). The gearbox is great as well. Much better brakes than the versys also.

After 38 fill ups my avg. mpg for the versys was 58.7mpg. At 21 fill ups on the tiger I am at 55.1. Both better than most will see.

XC or Roadie I think you'll be happy. It's a great motorcycle.
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:23 PM   #13203
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The front suspension feels better with her on it. From what i have read, quite a few in my weight range find the forks a bit harsh. Me included.
From what I found out at a suspension shop (was there for a check, haven't done anything about it yet) the spring is actually not too bad for my weight (155lbs before gear or so), but the damping is waaaay to slow. Very harsh.

I'll have the front re-done at some point in time, though I'm undecided whether I wait for some of the larger companies to provide solutions or whether I have a small shop do it for my weight with a re-valve and possibly a progressive spring.
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:29 PM   #13204
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From what I found out at a suspension shop (was there for a check, haven't done anything about it yet) the spring is actually not too bad for my weight (155lbs before gear or so), but the damping is waaaay to slow. Very harsh.

I'll have the front re-done at some point in time, though I'm undecided whether I wait for some of the larger companies to provide solutions or whether I have a small shop do it for my weight with a re-valve and possibly a progressive spring.
sasquatch (sp?) suspensions will do a revalve and re-spring for a reasonable price. I may do this later in the summer. I think it was around $350? Call them and check. They are in ID or OR I believe.
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:43 PM   #13205
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sasquatch (sp?) suspensions will do a revalve and re-spring for a reasonable price. I may do this later in the summer. I think it was around $350? Call them and check. They are in ID or OR I believe.
It's around what I was quoted by a local shop, too. The nice thing there is that I can just drop off the whole bike and have them do it.
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:22 PM   #13206
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Chris, if you recall I also came from a versys.

I bought a 2011 demo roadie in January this year after deciding to sell my 07 cbr600 and my versys to go to one bike.

Two up the wife says its was smoother than the Versys. I am 150lbs she is 110lbs. The front suspension feels better with her on it. From what i have read, quite a few in my weight range find the forks a bit harsh. Me included. However people that weigh more seem more happy with it.

The XC is certainly capable of rougher roads than the roadie.

I choose the roadie because like others didn't want tubed tires and also I didn't want to pay the extra price. Over the last few months I have been more and more interested in riding rougher stuff. To the point where I had started to contemplate trading to an XC. Then I thought about it more and for me, realized if I was going to be riding stuff beyond dirt roads I'd rather not be doing it on a 500lb bike. Also, in BFE I felt like I'd trust something else a bit more. So, when the time is right I'll be picking up a used 08+ WR250R.

I've had no problems with my roadie and as you've noticed, the engine is smooth as hell. A welcome characteristic after the versys (which is still a great bike). The gearbox is great as well. Much better brakes than the versys also.

After 38 fill ups my avg. mpg for the versys was 58.7mpg. At 21 fill ups on the tiger I am at 55.1. Both better than most will see.

XC or Roadie I think you'll be happy. It's a great motorcycle.
Hey, another versys convert!

I'm leaning toward the roadie mainly because I already have a great dualsport adventure bike.

Here's a question that maybe the rest would definitely point me to one model or the other. On road I like to travel at speeds up to 100mph. 80-85 2-up. Would everyone then agree that I'm going to be happier with the road model? Or is the XC just as good as a road bike? On my demo I only got to ride surface streets, I didn't get to open 'er up.

I'm thinking maybe tubeless tires and firmer suspension would be of benefit for hiway touring.

A few XC's have been traded in on roads. And a few for 1200's which only come with a 19" front wheel.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:57 PM   #13207
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Here's a question that maybe the rest would definitely point me to one model or the other. On road I like to travel at speeds up to 100mph. 80-85 2-up. Would everyone then agree that I'm going to be happier with the road model? Or is the XC just as good as a road bike? On my demo I only got to ride surface streets, I didn't get to open 'er up.

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The XC will do 90 -100 mph all day and do it well.
As for the 2 up question.
I took my wife for an hour ride on my XC sun.
She loved the back seat ,said it was perfect.
With a long susp bike like the XC ,even with a 140 lb passenger ,the rear susp will be quite a bit more compressed than 1 up.
It kind of changes the steering geometry and not for the better. I would say the XC is not a good 2 up bike.
I ve had wifey on all the back of all kinds of bikes but never has it changed the handling charecteristics like it does on the XC.
I think you might be better off on the Road 800
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Old 06-27-2012, 07:24 PM   #13208
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The XC will do 190 -100 mph all day and do it well.
As for the 2 up question.
I took my wife for an hour ride on my XC sun.
She loved the back seat ,said it was perfect.
With a long susp bike like the XC ,even with a 140 lb passenger ,the rear susp will be quite a bit more compressed than 1 up.
It kind of changes the steering geometry and not for the better. I would say the XC is not a good 2 up bike.
I ve had wifey on all the back of all kinds of bikes but never has it changed the handling charecteristics like it does on the XC.
I think you might be better off on the Road 800

Hmmm...my wifey is about 40lbs more.

And I would at least like to be able to pack for an overnighter, change of clothes, etc.

I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't be trying to go for the super tenere.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:14 PM   #13209
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Hmmm...my wifey is about 40lbs more.

And I would at least like to be able to pack for an overnighter, change of clothes, etc.

I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't be trying to go for the super tenere.
Similar situation here....ride a 800XC everywhere. My wife loves riding & the only thing we haven't done on the XC is ride a MX track. In a strong head wind she'll suck Gas like crazy to maintain 80-85mph 2up otherwise she will cruise effortless at 90mph 2 up. Had no issue riding twisty N GA roads with her on the back.
The Super T is great 2up & more of an long distance Adv bike. We rode 900 miles offroad 2 up in S Africa last year & the Tenere was hard to beat.
There were 2 reasons that steered me towards an XC...
1. The XC is lighter & feels like a big dirtbike compared to the Tenere.
2. Yamaha dicked around with delivery for so long...I got tired of waiting
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:39 AM   #13210
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Hmmm...my wifey is about 40lbs more.

And I would at least like to be able to pack for an overnighter, change of clothes, etc.

I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't be trying to go for the super tenere.
Or look into getting the suspension tuned for the weight and type of riding you are going to do. It's simply amazing what Sasquatch has done to my bike. ALL stock suspensions are on the soft side and can be improved soooo so much with a few extra bucks.
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:46 AM   #13211
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sasquatch (sp?) suspensions will do a revalve and re-spring for a reasonable price. I may do this later in the summer. I think it was around $350? Call them and check. They are in ID or OR I believe.
His name is Jay. The link in my signature will take you right there. We did the R&D on my bike about two months ago. I can't even begin to describe how much it has transformed my bike.

But I'll try. Sags were out of limits from the factory. Sags were taken with me (170 lbs), ZERO fuel, and no safety gear or luggage of any type. Already sagging too much. We changed the springs in the front and the rear. Valving was changed in the front and the rear. I brought it back for a minor tweak in the front to suit my very aggressive riding style.

Let me just say wow. Bike tracks way better though corners. Accelerates and holds speed though washboard. I have my spring rates set up so that with me, full safety gear, full fuel, and 30 lbs of camping gear, my preload is set at zero. If I add my panniers, like on my cali trip I just got home from, I crank about 25% on. It has been perfect.

Jay is great guy. It is only him running the company and doing all the work. I'd highly recommend giving him a call. He usually has a five day turnaround. The advantage with going with him is, he's had my bike apart. Spring rates have been calculated and he has part numbers of springs to order. At this point, I don't know of another Tiger 800 that has had suspension work done. Jay has the R&D done. We have spent hours together working on it and talking about how it performs. You'll get it done right the first time with him. Can't hurt to give him a call.
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:16 AM   #13212
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With a long susp bike like the XC ,even with a 140 lb passenger ,the rear susp will be quite a bit more compressed than 1 up.
Did you use the preload adjuster?
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:56 AM   #13213
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2. Yamaha dicked around with delivery for so long...I got tired of waiting
That's how I ended up with my XC. I have a feeling we are not alone! Great bike!
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:53 AM   #13214
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I'm really liking the 2012 Tiger 800 Roadie in white. Found a demo with about 300 + miles at a dealer that's 2 hrs. from my home. They gave me a price of $12K out the door. (pre-negotiation) Just trying to get an idea of how much discount I should seek because it's a demo. I know that price is always iffy. Just wondering if anyone had any suggestions. Thanks!
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:17 AM   #13215
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I'm really liking the 2012 Tiger 800 Roadie in white. Found a demo with about 300 + miles at a dealer that's 2 hrs. from my home. They gave me a price of $12K out the door. (pre-negotiation) Just trying to get an idea of how much discount I should seek because it's a demo. I know that price is always iffy. Just wondering if anyone had any suggestions. Thanks!
I knew I wanted an ABS Roadie. I knew I wasn't going to pay new prices. I basically waited around for 3-4 months, but I finally found a used '12 with a few accessories (gel seat,fog lights), with <4k miles. Got it for $9500 and only had to drive 2 hours each way. I've seen even better deals out there, just none that were reasonably close enough. Very pleased with my purchase so far. Absolutely love the bike!
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