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Old 06-28-2012, 08:47 AM   #13216
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The XC will do 90 -100 mph all day and do it well.
As for the 2 up question.
I took my wife for an hour ride on my XC sun.
She loved the back seat ,said it was perfect.
With a long susp bike like the XC ,even with a 140 lb passenger ,the rear susp will be quite a bit more compressed than 1 up.
It kind of changes the steering geometry and not for the better. I would say the XC is not a good 2 up bike.
I ve had wifey on all the back of all kinds of bikes but never has it changed the handling charecteristics like it does on the XC.
I think you might be better off on the Road 800
Have you tried to adjust the rear preload/rebound settings? Just curious. This might make a difference.

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Old 06-28-2012, 09:24 AM   #13217
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I'm really liking the 2012 Tiger 800 Roadie in white. Found a demo with about 300 + miles at a dealer that's 2 hrs. from my home. They gave me a price of $12K out the door. (pre-negotiation) Just trying to get an idea of how much discount I should seek because it's a demo. I know that price is always iffy. Just wondering if anyone had any suggestions. Thanks!
The demo program was discontinued, so the dealer has to foot the bill for any demo discounts. I was quoted the same for a new one on the floor. With just 300 miles I wouldn't expect more than a tank of gas and a t-shirt or something. Maybe a couple of hundred. Maybe get them to throw in one of the accessory items you'd like.

From what I understand they do have a freight charge in on them as well, so you've gotten that thrown into the deal basically at no charge. I have not been able to beat the deal anywhere else other than a resale.
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:05 AM   #13218
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I'm really liking the 2012 Tiger 800 Roadie in white. Found a demo with about 300 + miles at a dealer that's 2 hrs. from my home. They gave me a price of $12K out the door. (pre-negotiation) Just trying to get an idea of how much discount I should seek because it's a demo. I know that price is always iffy. Just wondering if anyone had any suggestions. Thanks!
In January I paid (before taxes, etc..) $9300 for my demo 2011 with 1100 miles. Full 2 year warranty of course. I've had zero problems with it.
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:53 AM   #13219
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Thanks Chris. I kind of felt that if $12K is what I'd have to pay with freight, it isn't that bad. I did think about asking for an accessory too.

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The demo program was discontinued, so the dealer has to foot the bill for any demo discounts. I was quoted the same for a new one on the floor. With just 300 miles I wouldn't expect more than a tank of gas and a t-shirt or something. Maybe a couple of hundred. Maybe get them to throw in one of the accessory items you'd like.

From what I understand they do have a freight charge in on them as well, so you've gotten that thrown into the deal basically at no charge. I have not been able to beat the deal anywhere else other than a resale.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:48 AM   #13220
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I knew I wanted an ABS Roadie. I knew I wasn't going to pay new prices. I basically waited around for 3-4 months, but I finally found a used '12 with a few accessories (gel seat,fog lights), with <4k miles. Got it for $9500 and only had to drive 2 hours each way. I've seen even better deals out there, just none that were reasonably close enough. Very pleased with my purchase so far. Absolutely love the bike!
Damn, you found one used? I looked and looked for either a 2011 or 2012 XC, but couldn't find one...so this week I pulled the trigger on a new one, and after tax, title and an extended warranty (that DOES cover me dropping the bike on a trail,) mine came to just over 14.

I wish I could have gotten one for 9500 =)
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:39 PM   #13221
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Found XC new XC at a great price

I found a new XC for under $1000 dealer list. The dealer was sitting on 2011 and 2012 tigers and I applied the military discount "Salute a Hero" program and got a $350 instant rebate. It was a deal. The third best deal was a roadie off CL for $8,600 with low miles (sacto deal, deposit given) and second best deal was a 2012 800XC for $10k with $700 miles off CL in Palm Springs met the guy at a Triumph dealer. When I got there he changed his mind and drove away while I sat with a cashiers check in hand... Paid $600 more and got a new one, paid no sales tax,

I am breaking the bike in my way. 127mph top speed coming down the 58 freeway fro Tehachapi, Cali its on the fourth heat cycle. The bike has 114 miles and is on the third oil change. Drove 1,000 miles to get the bike, offset the cost of gas by taking someone off Craigslist>community>rideshare and paid for half the gas. Loaded the bike onto the truck, drove home in two days

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I knew I wanted an ABS Roadie. I knew I wasn't going to pay new prices. I basically waited around for 3-4 months, but I finally found a used '12 with a few accessories (gel seat,fog lights), with <4k miles. Got it for $9500 and only had to drive 2 hours each way. I've seen even better deals out there, just none that were reasonably close enough. Very pleased with my purchase so far. Absolutely love the bike!

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Old 06-28-2012, 03:34 PM   #13222
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Hmmm...my wifey is about 40lbs more.

And I would at least like to be able to pack for an overnighter, change of clothes, etc.

I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't be trying to go for the super tenere.

I just got back from a 10 day 2800 mile trip with my wife on our XC. We rode from Seattle to LA, down Hwy 101 and Hwy 1, and came back up Hwy 395. With us, our riding gear, and the rest of our stuff, we were just below the XC's loaded weight limit of 492lbs. The bike handled great! Always had enough power, handled great in all the twisty corners on Hwy 1, and maintained cruising speeds of 75mph (speed limits were between 55-65) just fine coming back up on Hwy 395. And I got killer gas mileage the whole way. The XC is a great 2 up bike in my opinion. If I'm not mistaken, the Super Tenere has a loaded weight limit of 461lbs, so you can actually carry more on the XC.
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:03 PM   #13223
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Here's what my buddies are saying on the 19 vs 21 front wheel:


Unless you're planning on plowing through sand all day long or otherwise doing a whole bunch of gnarly offroad riding with the big bike it's a none-issue.

21" wheels are for dirt bikes
putting one on a pig street bike will not make it a better bike in the dirt
go with a 19"



The XC obviously has plusher suspension. But the trade off is lazier cornering, wallowing on road, and tires with tubes.

Am I missing something?
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:40 PM   #13224
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Here's what my buddies are saying on the 19 vs 21 front wheel:


Unless you're planning on plowing through sand all day long or otherwise doing a whole bunch of gnarly offroad riding with the big bike it's a none-issue.

21" wheels are for dirt bikes
putting one on a pig street bike will not make it a better bike in the dirt
go with a 19"



The XC obviously has plusher suspension. But the trade off is lazier cornering, wallowing on road, and tires with tubes.

Am I missing something?
Don't know if you are missing something but I rode one today (the owner of the dealership's personal ride BTW). Your buddies are missing something though: seat time on a 800XC if they think that "lazier cornering, wallowing on road" apply to this motorcycle. I rode both and the XC leans way further over than the roady. I was impressed to the point that I'll be picking my 2012 800 XC up tomorrow...
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:48 PM   #13225
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[QUOTE=browneye;19015213]

21" wheels are for dirt bikes
putting one on a pig street bike will not make it a better bike in the dirt
go with a 19"

[QUOTE]

I'm a better dirt rider than a road rider, and I really like the 21" front tire. More forgiving in ruts and rolling over things. I chased some sport bikes up a mountain pass the other day and didn't have any trouble keeping up. Is the 19 better on the road? Probably, but in my case its a none issue cause I'm not that great of a street rider. For the amount of dirt I ride, I'll take the 21 any day. Tube tires are a pain though.
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:54 PM   #13226
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Here's what my buddies are saying on the 19 vs 21 front wheel:


Unless you're planning on plowing through sand all day long or otherwise doing a whole bunch of gnarly offroad riding with the big bike it's a none-issue.

21" wheels are for dirt bikes
putting one on a pig street bike will not make it a better bike in the dirt
go with a 19"



The XC obviously has plusher suspension. But the trade off is lazier cornering, wallowing on road, and tires with tubes.

Am I missing something?
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Don't know if you are missing something but I rode one today (the owner of the dealership's personal ride BTW). Your buddies are missing something though: seat time on a 800XC if they think that "lazier cornering, wallowing on road" apply to this motorcycle. I rode both and the XC leans way further over than the roady. I was impressed to the point that I'll be picking my 2012 800 XC up tomorrow...
And one thing I kept reading in reviews was despite the 21" front wheel the XC was rated the better "road" bike. Most reviewers were surprised and figured Triumph just did a good job with the geometry of the bike. Sorry, I can't give an opinion of Roadie vs XC as I never rode the Roadie, didn't even ride the XC, just bought it and have been enjoying it ever since. I have sure never experienced any negatives when riding on road with the XC, it just goes where I point it, to the point of dragging my boots and I'm still getting acquainted.
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:53 PM   #13227
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The look of the front tire profiles on 21s really scare me for street twisties. The tread doesn't look like it wraps very far up toward the sidewalls. I was very unhappy with an Anakee2 in 100/90-19 (bias ply), but extremely happy with the same in 110/80-19 (radial). Both stuck well, but the 100/90 immediately scrubbed to the very edge and lasted about 30-40% as long.
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:16 PM   #13228
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Don't know if you are missing something but I rode one today (the owner of the dealership's personal ride BTW). Your buddies are missing something though: seat time on a 800XC if they think that "lazier cornering, wallowing on road" apply to this motorcycle. I rode both and the XC leans way further over than the roady. I was impressed to the point that I'll be picking my 2012 800 XC up tomorrow...
While the XC is taller and therefore could theoretically lean farther, you'd have to prove it to me. It's got less contact patch up front, which matters a lot more than the difference in height. I've been over on both sides of my roadie until parts were dragging and it's a pretty substantial amount of lean. Not quite the 50 + degrees of the bikes I used to track, but not too far off. Additionally, you can put MUCH better street rubber on the 19 than you can on the 21. Take a look at Michelin's new PRT's.

Triumph designed and marketed the bikes correctly. The Roadie is a better performing road bike. The XC is a better performing off pavement bike. I'm in the camp that believes although Triumph designed each of these variants to handle a very wide variety of conditions and do it well, they released two versions so the buyer could choose the best one for the conditions in which they would use the bike the most. One has a pavement focus but performs decently off pavement, the other has more off pavement focus but still performs well on pavement.
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:50 PM   #13229
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Would be interesting to see lap times on each tiger with the same rider onboard. I reckon the stickier tire choices should put the roadie in the lead, but I doubt by that much, and I wonder if the lean angle would be limited? I hear road riders tell me they are dragging bits on thier roadies, so on track with a decent rider on sticky rubber its bound to be a limiting factor. The taller XC wont have the clearence issues, but that 21" front is going to limit play a bit.

I have been very pleasently surprised how well the 21" wheel and BW tire holds up and delivers feedback in the twisties. Not ridden the roadie so can't compare.
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:58 PM   #13230
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The look of the front tire profiles on 21s really scare me for street twisties.
I was easily scraping hard parts with an Anakee II on my F800GS in 90/90 - 21". I don't think there is ANY problem with the tires.

I personally just didn't like tubed tires. I prefer to be able to plug the tires quickly with a plug instead of taking the wheel off, breaking the bead on the tire (especially rear), spooning off one wall, getting the tube out enough to patch it (or replace it), getting the damn tire back on the rim (of course it's the rear, it's always the rear ... at least for me), getting the wheel installed again, setting the chain properly (of course, it's the rear) ... and all that in freezing rain in the middle off bumf******* nowhere ...

On a nice day in warm sunlight to warm up and soften the tire - I might just do it. In pouring rain, just above freezing - no freaking way. It's just something I can live without, especially as my offroad riding with this bike will be some rare unpaved road and the ride to the camp site. I rather take something lighter on tougher terrain.
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