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Old 06-28-2012, 08:12 PM   #13231
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High fender on the Tiger.

Did you ever wonder what a Suzuki DRZ front fender would look on a Tiger?

Well wonder no more. I just happen to have a fender in the garage. I just wrapped a bungee around the forks and stuck it up there. It is an interesting look.... You would have to do something about the roadies proboscis for the fender to fit up in there tighter. I think the fender blocking the air to the radiator may be a problem.



I had taken the stock fender off to do some cosmetic work. My Fender Extender had only been on the bike for a few months when I rode through some tar and it was flung up onto the outside of the extender. I have been using this stuff called "Tarminator" (by Stoners) for years on painted surfaces and never had any problems with it. So that's what I grabbed to clean off the tar. Well the extender plastic did not like it at all. It turned the plastic an ash white and raised up the plastic where the tar used to be. It was a mess. So I removed it, wet sanded it smooth with some 400 grit, and painted it. Probably should have used some WD40 for the tar removal.

What's the bike look like without a fender? Well wonder no more. Sorry I was on a roll.


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Old 06-28-2012, 08:19 PM   #13232
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Doesn't look bad at all. But the air flow might really be a problem if it's hot.
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:22 PM   #13233
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Here's what I did today:

Installed a new RAM mount as I couldn't use the mount on the left side of the handle bars anymore due to interference with either windshield or tankbag. Not a problem, $9.95 later, this is how it looks now:



And these are the positions I tried, I kind of like the all for different reasons, it will depend on which GPS (GPSMap 60CSx or Zumo) I use in which position I put it:

Slightly left:



More left:



Middle:



Just the cradle:



I really like it there much more than on the left side. It's mounted with a RAM ball that is bolted to the handlebar clamp, replacing one of the 8mm bolts there. Works perfectly well and I'm asking myself why I didn't do that earlier.

Btw: in the photos it looks like I wouldn't be able to see the speed - but that's actually not a problem. It's just the camera was at a slightly different angle.

Here's the other thing I did:



That's a Kriega tool roll filled with most of the tools I might need when on the road. It's not fully optimized yet, but fairly close. I like it under the seat much more than in the topcase as it is 2kg of heavy crap bouncing around in the otherwise empty case. It fits perfectly under the seat after I cut out the stupid u-lock holders and took off the middle rubber from the passenger seat (that presses down the u-lock if there is one).

Here's a bad photo of the contents of the tool roll:

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Old 06-29-2012, 06:16 AM   #13234
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While the XC is taller and therefore could theoretically lean farther, you'd have to prove it to me. It's got less contact patch up front, which matters a lot more than the difference in height. I've been over on both sides of my roadie until parts were dragging and it's a pretty substantial amount of lean. Not quite the 50 + degrees of the bikes I used to track, but not too far off. Additionally, you can put MUCH better street rubber on the 19 than you can on the 21. Take a look at Michelin's new PRT's.

Triumph designed and marketed the bikes correctly. The Roadie is a better performing road bike. The XC is a better performing off pavement bike. I'm in the camp that believes although Triumph designed each of these variants to handle a very wide variety of conditions and do it well, they released two versions so the buyer could choose the best one for the conditions in which they would use the bike the most. One has a pavement focus but performs decently off pavement, the other has more off pavement focus but still performs well on pavement.

When you hear your pegs screaming at you because they are dragging they're telling you that any more lean-angle and next you'll be testing the abrasion resistance of your riding gear. When the pegs scrape, its the contact patch of the rear tire that I'm worried about. While the contact patch on a 19" may be minimally larger, less lean angle on the roady didn't allow me to take advantage of what may be a few more mm of surface area. For me, the XC just felt better in the corner because I wasn't thinking about when was the peg going to touch down.

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Old 06-29-2012, 06:25 AM   #13235
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Yea if your hitting pegs on the xc it's at it's tires limit and just a sneeze away from a bad situation.
Having done a track day or two and raced MX for too long the my op on the 21" front is that it is nothing short of uninspiring and wants to run wide searching for the side of the road. It pushes and squirms when put to task big time.
Great off road love it ! On road, I would never push it to the point of scraping pegs, just asking for a bad ending.
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Old 06-29-2012, 06:30 AM   #13236
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Not true. There is no direct connection between a footpeg and a tire. A scraping peg is not an indication that you are going beyond the contact patch. It is only an indication that you are scraping a peg. For example, with 400 pounds on the bike the suspension will be so compressed that the peg will drag relatively early in terms of lean angle. A 120 pound rider would have a lot more available lean angle before the pegs touched, and would be significantly closer to the edge of the tire.

The footpegs on the tiger are hinged. When they touch they pivot upward. At 185 pounds in riding gear, I am able to continue my lean and can feel them lift with no ill consequences. I've spent enough years at the track and have been on my ass enough times that I have a generally good assessment of limits, when they are being exceeded, and what the consequences are. I'll take a scraping footpeg any day over less contact patch and inferior street rubber (comparatively)
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:23 AM   #13237
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Not true. There is no direct connection between a footpeg and a tire. A scraping peg is not an indication that you are going beyond the contact patch. It is only an indication that you are scraping a peg. For example, with 400 pounds on the bike the suspension will be so compressed that the peg will drag relatively early in terms of lean angle. A 120 pound rider would have a lot more available lean angle before the pegs touched, and would be significantly closer to the edge of the tire.

The footpegs on the tiger are hinged. When they touch they pivot upward. At 185 pounds in riding gear, I am able to continue my lean and can feel them lift with no ill consequences. I've spent enough years at the track and have been on my ass enough times that I have a generally good assessment of limits, when they are being exceeded, and what the consequences are. I'll take a scraping footpeg any day over less contact patch and inferior street rubber (comparatively)
Is the road model significantly better for road than the XC? I'm still trying to decide which model to buy. I expect 90/10 for road. And I want a really good road bike for 2 up touring. If either is superior for that then that is the way I would go. I keep thinking I should be going with GS or Tenere for 2-up, but I really like the lightweight and handling of the Tiger, not to mention it costs a lot less. Power wise I know it will be fine.

I'm always skeptical about owners of XC's that say how great they are in the twisties but admit they've never been on a sportbike. And likewise, how good they are offroad when admittedly they have very little dirt experience.

In just a spin around the block I found the XC to have slower turn in than the roadie. I can imagine a series of sweepers would have you struggling with getting the bike to lay over and turn. I'm not real excited about the wide bars either.

There are too many owners that have bought the wrong model and want to change. I don't want to be one of them.

Have you ridden both models to compare? That you have significant road experience lends credence to your opinion. Thanks!
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:38 AM   #13238
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I'm always skeptical about owners of XC's that say how great they are in the twisties but admit they've never been on a sportbike. And likewise, how good they are offroad when admittedly they have very little dirt experience.
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Even the roadie when compared to a sportbike is a pig IMO from my recent road/track experience with my 07 CBR600RR. Other than at a track the tiger is still more fun to ride though.
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:52 AM   #13239
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Have you thought about renting them for a weekends worth of riding, would take maybe 2 or 3 weekends and you could form your own opinion, plus give a good report of what you like and don't like about each, just my 2 cents.

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Old 06-29-2012, 09:04 AM   #13240
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My XC didn't give me any trouble riding in the Smokies. Nothing but twisty roads there. Does it handle like a pure sport bike? No but it isn't one. Is it more than capable of being ridden at speed in excess of the speed limit without having to be wrestled around the corners? Most certainly. I found that it transitioned very nicely and turn-in wasn't an issue. If you have a problem with turn in, there are plenty of adjustments available to make it better. Nice thing was that cornering clearance wasn't an issue at all. Decreasing radius turns were simply a matter of adding a tiny bit of pressure to the inside bar and she laid right on over. I was running the stock Battle Wings and the only time I was concerned about cornering traction was when it was misting and the roads were wet but not rinsed. Felt the back slide on me just a bit on some of the faster corners.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:27 AM   #13241
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As far as a choice, the xc will do both duties better then the roadie will. If your planning to be off road at all, the xc is a great bike. I have a sport bike for scraping pegs.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:41 AM   #13242
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As far as a choice, the xc will do both duties better then the roadie will.
Sorry, but that's just your opinion.

In my opinion, the XC will be slightly better in loose stuff where the big spoked front wheel helps, the Roadie will be better in tight street riding where less rotating mass from the smaller (front) and lighter wheels and the better street rubber helps.

Both have suspension that is insufficient for harder riding anyways, the XC slightly better, but not enough to give it an edge on the road.

Along with added convenience on the Roadie - it was definitely the bike for me (nearly no off-road, I'm just realistic, if you think 90 to 10%, do a real calculation and most people will find that they'll do 98 to 2% ratio, if at all).

Sure, there are certainly some people here for whom the XC is the better technical choice. But those are the minority. The better feeling choice? I guess that's up to the individual here. And motorcycles aren't the most logical choice in transportation anyways. So go with what you like, not what others tell you is better for anything.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:00 AM   #13243
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I don't get all the fuss about 21" front wheel. They have SuperMoto races with 21" fronts mounted. A good rider with a 21" front can run circles around an a average rider with a 17".
If you feel like the 21" front is holding you back, then you should be riding on a track. I rode all over Deals Gap with knobbies on my XC & never got passed by anybody. I was able to stay with sportbikes no problem. I've always been the kind of rider that adjust my style to accommodate whatever bike/conditions I'm riding. People nowadays are way to spoiled.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:01 AM   #13244
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In my opinion, the XC will be slightly better in loose stuff where the big spoked front wheel helps, the Roadie will be better in tight street riding where less rotating mass from the smaller (front) and lighter wheels and the better street rubber helps.
I'd be interested in seeing an actual weight comparison between the two. The (slightly) smaller front wheel will make a difference in handling, but I would wager that the different suspension geometry makes a much more significant difference.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:46 AM   #13245
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A good rider with a 21" front can run circles around an a average rider with a 17".
Comparing apples to oranges, are we?
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