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Old 07-12-2012, 06:45 PM   #13456
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I got the 15mm... if you calculate 3 degrees, that should be around an 8% improvement as I think this bike has ~ 38-39 degree lean angle (just comparing to my previous Harley which had a 39-40 degree angle). That might just be enough for me, and I have a 30" inseam and like the low seat height.

Interesting about moving upper body vs lower body - I'm the opposite. I prefer getting my butt off the seat, but keeping my head and upper body a little more centered as I feel it looks much less "racy" to LEOs and other traffic approaching from the other direction. This is just based on what I see when a bike is approaching me - I can easily see what their upper body is doing, but less on their lower body position.
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:50 PM   #13457
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I will do some measuring and calculate later tonight with me being on the bike and an actual measurement instead of my big thumb estimate. I'll get back on that.

Regarding moving upper vs. lower body, you are probably right - I don't move too much, first of all I sit very upright with the Rox risers on the Tiger, so when I'm going fast I lean slightly forward and then it's just a "kiss the mirror" type of move to bring a bit more weight to the inside of the corner. If I touch down with that - too bad, I'll just ride slower then ...
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:30 PM   #13458
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thanks for the exhaust suggestions! Couple better options that what I was finding on ebay.

Don't think I'm going to be able to pick up the Tiger until next Friday, then I have to travel for work the next week. My dad will have it all broke in by the time I get home.

(I am now stopped my foot, throwing a fit like my 2 year old)
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:31 PM   #13459
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I will do some measuring and calculate later tonight
From what I measured and calculated I won't get much more than 2 degrees more lean angle. That's roughly 5%. Still something. I might be off because there are a few things to consider that I didn't all bother calculating ... (width of tire, rolling onto the side of the tire while leaning, ...)

Still, overall I'm very happy with the purchase.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:03 AM   #13460
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I had asked some questions a while back about a Tiger 800XC for 2 up, already had made my mind up I liked the bike....

Well add me to the list of Tiger 800 owners Drug home a 2011 800XC with ABS last weekend with 754 miles on it. Wife LOVES the pillion perch! And pegs.

Me - this is the new bike I have waited for 30 years for. I have tried a lot of bikes in that time, none really did it for me..so my trusty 68 BSA Lightning remained the ride of choice for a long time, since new bikes just didn't excite me. Well, hope the BSA isn't jealous now that I have a new favorite ride! Gawd I love this bike
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Old 07-13-2012, 01:25 PM   #13461
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The best mod I have done to my bike. Getting the suspension reworked by Sasquatch.

As of right now, I don't know of anybody else that has made the upgrades that I have done. Not to say that somebody hasn't done it, cause I'm pretty sure the chances are good that somebody has, I just don't know who. I haven't read anything yet.

And when I say "I", I really mean Jay over at Sasquatch Suspensions in Boise, ID. I helped a bit, but it was his expertise that transformed this bike.

I put about 15,000 glorious miles on "Hobbes" before I had the suspension done. I thought the suspension was fantastic out of the box, but I knew it could be better. I bottomed it out a fair amount and I could tell that even with preload, the rear was soft.

I contacted Jay and he was excited to work on a new platform and add it to his repertoires.

I met up with him in early April 2012 to talk about how the bike handled and so he could get a first hand look at it.

I showed up with zero miles remaining on the fuel counter. We took the sag measurements with ZERO fuel, no safety gear, and just me. I'm 5'10 and 180 lbs at the time. I'm less now. Been working out.

The sags were blown out with no weight on the bike! And even before that, Jay could tell that the front fork springs were weak from where they were riding on the exposed piston.

The measurements we took are as follows.

The front measured at 3.25" with a target of 2.85". The rear measured 3.6" with a target of 2.96". The rear was measured with zero preload cranked on. When we cranked on full preload, we were able to hit the target at 2.9". Please keep in mind that these measurements were taken with no fuel, safety gear, or luggage/camping gear. Once I added all that stuff, the numbers would be far worse.

Just an FYI, we calculated the target sag as 30-35% of the full suspension travel. Measurements were taken from the axle to a known point on the bodywork.

So, there was work to be done on my bike. And, I know yours as well.

We got together again on 4-15-12 after I returned from a 1000 mile trip to Seattle and back.


We dropped the forks and shock in no time. Jay was quick to have the disassembly done. This guy really knows what he's doing.

We took a ton of measurements and calculated spring rates. Then, we talked about how I wanted the bike to perform.

I told him that with full fuel, full safety gear, full backpack with 100oz of water, and 30lbs of camping gear in my tail bag, I wanted ZERO preload set. Yes, for a day ride with out the camping gear on, it will be a bit stiff. But, the only time I want to crank on the preload is when I have a passenger, or I actually put my aluminum Happy Trails panniers on.

Done. We had to have custom springs made since he couldn't find a pre-made part number to get what I wanted. Getting a custom spring is very little price difference from a pre-made one. We just couldn't find what we were looking for in a pre-made size and rate.

Then, we went into some detailed questions about how I wanted the valving done. He asked if it felt like the brakes when on when I hit washboard. Yes. He asked if the front drifted around a corner in washboard. Yes. Do you jump the bike? Yes, I have been known to get air from time to time.

I was really surprised when he asked me all these detailed questions about how the bike handled, it turns out that it really doesn't handle all that well. The ride is great, but it has some areas that need some real improvement.

After a few days, the springs returned for manufacturer and I was back at his shop for reassembly. The bike went back together just as easy as it came apart.

I sat on the bike for the first time with the mods and I could immateriality tell that it sat higher when I got on it. I thanked Jay for all his hard work, but I had to run! I don't take weekends off from riding that often and it was time to go!

But first, we had to grab the "after" sag numbers. This time I had about half a tank of fuel and I still left all the safety gear off to keep the numbers as honest as possible.

The front measured at 2.75" with the same target of 2.85". A drastic improvement over the 3.25". And now I had 15-20 lbs of fuel in the tank that I didn't have before.

The rear measured at 2.85" with a target of 2.96" with zero pre-load. Once again, a drastic improvement over the 3.6" before the mods.

Then, I got to ride it. WOW! Let me just say, "WOW!" Here's where the bike improved; EVERYWHERE! When hitting washboard, the bike no longer slows down. I noticed immediately that the front tracks way better through corners. Both on dirt and pavement. The front end dives much less when braking. The back just feels "planted" when accelerating on pavement. Cornering feels much better with less "bounce" when encountering bumps in a corner.

I still felt some pretty hard bottoms in the front end when hitting water bars on FR275 North of Boise. The bottom outs on the back are gone. Period. Haven't bottomed the back since I had the work done.

So, I called Jay to tell him the great news about the majority about the mods and the bad news about two parts. I wanted the second stage of the front shim stack to have some more resistance to the hard hits. Have I mentioned that I ride this bike hard yet? And, one of my fork seals was leaking. It happens to the best of us. Jay got me in that day to fix the seal and make the change to the valve stacks in the front. His work carries a 1 year, unlimited mileage warranty for any valving changes that you want made. 60 days for the seals. No problems fixing it.

The change we made was just the ticket. I still bottom the front end every now and then, but nothing like before we made the change. And not even in the same ballpark as to how much I bottomed it before we made the spring and shim changes the first time. Every bike will bottom out every now and then. Hell, I bottom out my dirt bike.

The process is simple. Drop your shock and forks and put them in the mail. He shoots for a five day turn around. Get your stuff back modified, reinstall, and prepare to be amazed with how well this bike performs once the suspension is given a little love.

I've ridden over 4000 miles on these mods now and I am totally stoked. It is amazing what he has done to improve the ride of the Tiger. I would highly recommend at least giving him a call to talk about what he can do for you. He's seen the insides and knows the changes to make. To my knowledge, nobody else has done this R&D yet. This is the best mod I have made on my bike. Period. Call Jay at Sasquatch Suspensions. Go to his website HERE.

Pricing info. Off the bike, parts shipped in. Shock: $450, Forks $350. Plus return shipping.

Here's Jay saying hello.









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Old 07-13-2012, 01:53 PM   #13462
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The video of the fuel exhaust. As requested.

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Old 07-13-2012, 01:59 PM   #13463
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Shinko 705

AV_mech...

How many miles did you get out of the shinkos? I too really liked the stock Battlewings and just put on a set of Shinkos. Also, did both the front and rear wear out at the same time.
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:14 PM   #13464
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How many miles did you get out of the shinkos? I too really liked the stock Battlewings and just put on a set of Shinkos. Also, did both the front and rear wear out at the same time.
I LOVE the Shinkos. I got 4700 out of my first rear. And 3400 of those miles were fully loaded with panniers on. The front will always wear out slower than the rear. Usually by a rate of 2 to 1. So, I'm on my second 705 rear. I like the price and mileage. Also gets the best traction off road of the three rear non-knobbies I've run. It beats the Tourance everywhere. I got 5700 out of the Tourance for twice the price. IMO the 705 gets better traction everywhere. And I get to put a new one on sooner for half the price. That's getting your money's worth. I liked the Battlewing a lot too. But once again, the 705 is cheaper and I think it does better everywhere. The BW beat the Tourance and the 705 beats em both.

I have run though a TKC80 on the rear. I liked the traction off road and it looks bad ass on the bike. But, I wore it down to the carcass in 2700 miles. That's pretty damn quick for a $180 tire. I bought 4 of them a few months back when tire prices were jumping every few weeks. They are just gonna sit in my garage until Fall/Winter/Spring riding when I will encounter nasty desert mud and mountain snow. In the summers I'm running the 705 rear from here on out. I found my tire.

I am running the TKC 80 on the front and it appears to wearing well. I'll always have a knobby on the front. Well, not always, I may put a 705 on the front for the Alaska trip next summer. And I still have the remainder of a 705 front that has about 6000 miles on it. Can probably get another 2000 at least out of that one. After this TKC wears out on the front I have a 606 take off from my KLR days that I'm going to finish off. I really liked the 606 and I may run that if it handles on the road well enough for this big bike. I remember liking it a lot on my KLR. IF it handles well enough on the road, I'll run the 606 up front most of the time because it so much cheaper than the 80. More aggressive off road too.
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The video of the fuel exhaust. As requested.
Many thanks for that - super helpful! Also thanks again for the suspension write up. Exhaust (for narrow luggage), luggage, and suspension are on my list for the bike.
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:56 PM   #13466
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I LOVE the Shinkos. I got 4700 out of my first rear. And 3400 of those miles were fully loaded with panniers on. The front will always wear out slower than the rear. Usually by a rate of 2 to 1. So, I'm on my second 705 rear. I like the price and mileage.
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Thanks man! That's a great compliment. Glad to see those Happy Trails parts on your bike! Made in the USA!
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I LOVE the Shinkos. I got 4700 out of my first rear. And 3400 of those miles were fully loaded with panniers on. The front will always wear out slower than the rear. Usually by a rate of 2 to 1. So, I'm on my second 705 rear. I like the price and mileage. Also gets the best traction off road of the three rear non-knobbies I've run. It beats the Tourance everywhere. I got 5700 out of the Tourance for twice the price. IMO the 705 gets better traction everywhere. And I get to put a new one on sooner for half the price. That's getting your money's worth. I liked the Battlewing a lot too. But once again, the 705 is cheaper and I think it does better everywhere. The BW beat the Tourance and the 705 beats em both.

I have run though a TKC80 on the rear. I liked the traction off road and it looks bad ass on the bike. But, I wore it down to the carcass in 2700 miles. That's pretty damn quick for a $180 tire. I bought 4 of them a few months back when tire prices were jumping every few weeks. They are just gonna sit in my garage until Fall/Winter/Spring riding when I will encounter nasty desert mud and mountain snow. In the summers I'm running the 705 rear from here on out. I found my tire.

I am running the TKC 80 on the front and it appears to wearing well. I'll always have a knobby on the front. Well, not always, I may put a 705 on the front for the Alaska trip next summer. And I still have the remainder of a 705 front that has about 6000 miles on it. Can probably get another 2000 at least out of that one. After this TKC wears out on the front I have a 606 take off from my KLR days that I'm going to finish off. I really liked the 606 and I may run that if it handles on the road well enough for this big bike. I remember liking it a lot on my KLR. IF it handles well enough on the road, I'll run the 606 up front most of the time because it so much cheaper than the 80. More aggressive off road too.

Thanks, great info. I have something to look foward to.

I wish they made a 606 for the tiger rear.. Let me know how it works on the front of the Tiger. I have a take off that I may try on my Tiger. The 606 is the best "street tire" ever on a KLR...Yes...I said street tire. They hook up like no other. It's the only tire that I will buy for the KLR.
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Thanks, great info. I have something to look foward to.

I wish they made a 606 for the tiger rear.. Let me know how it works on the front of the Tiger. I have a take off that I may try on my Tiger. The 606 is the best "street tire" ever on a KLR...Yes...I said street tire. They hook up like no other. It's the only tire that I will buy for the KLR.
It's on my to do list to look at what it would cost to get the rear rim relaced with a narrower hoop so I could run a 130. I had a friend that had a 140-18 rim on his ktm and he could run anything between a 130 to a 150. Lots research and calculations to do to see if I could offset the cost of reworking the rim to run the cheaper 606. Plus a 606 on this bike would be outta this world!
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It's on my to do list to look at what it would cost to get the rear rim relaced with a narrower hoop so I could run a 130. I had a friend that had a 140-18 rim on his ktm and he could run anything between a 130 to a 150. Lots research and calculations to do to see if I could offset the cost of reworking the rim to run the cheaper 606. Plus a 606 on this bike would be outta this world!

Now thats a thought!
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