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Old 07-15-2012, 09:19 PM   #13501
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After my last long 4,000 mile trip my suspension is now done for as well. I'm at 13,000 miles of hard riding as well. I will have to give him a call. I love custom suspension. The cost is always hard to swallow but its always worth it!
How was your trip? Sorry we never got to meet up.
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Old 07-15-2012, 09:33 PM   #13502
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We did a 700 mile loop over the weekend (Sat/Sun) and therefore I feel I can comment on some of this better than I could before.

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There is a lot of heat that comes up from the radiators when the motor gets hot. Noticable at slow speeds and in traffic. Otherwise it's a non-issue.
I guess this really comes down to personal sensitivities. We were in quite some traffic today for about 30 minutes and it was around 38C (100F) and other than the heat that dried me out, burned through my whole body, roasted my arms, ... there was really not much the bike contributed to it. Riding in heat is uncomfortable. We were in full riding gear which for me means long underwear, BMW Airflow pants with mesh inlays, BMW Ralley 2 jacket, Airflow gloves. Was it hot? Of course. Was the bike adding to the heat in any way that I felt was significant? Not at all.

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I don't like that there are tubes in the tires
This was the reason for me to get the Roadie. All other things, I could have lived with but I wasn't going to put up with tubed tires on my touring bike (that's what the Tiger is for me).

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I get clean air with the stock screen so I'm happy with it. I can't say that about any other motorcycle I have owned (which is just a few).
Palmer screen solved that for me. Works quite well.

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The rear shock is exposed to all manner of road debris from the back tire. Needs a plastic or rubber guard in front of the rear tire.
Yeah, that's quite stupid. Easily solved, but it's again throwing money (even if it is cheap) at something that shouldn't be a problem right from the factory.

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The bars feel quite wide. and they are swept back to far at the center setting for my taste. I have rotated mine almost all the way up and they are much more comfortable. They set you into the attack stance which improves bike control. For some it seems this can be fatiguing. One guy sold his because he couldn't get comfortable on it, had back and neck pain. Could have been unrelated to the bike however.
I haven't figured that part out either yet. My right shoulder/neck area is killing me at the moment after the long weekend ride. So far I tried Rox Risers, XC risers on my Roadie, just standard, and they all have advantages and disadvantages but I'm not really happy with with any of that yet. Not sure what I'll end up with.

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First gear is quite tall
It certainly is. Stalled the bike twice today trying to start from steep uphill position. That didn't happened to me in the last 10 years on any bike I owned and I'm quite used to the Tiger now after 2.2k miles.

Gearing and suspension are my main complaints. Not much I can do about the gearing, but I actually might put a smaller front sprocket on to try it out. Will make the 6th even shorter but it might also solve the problem that 60mph is right where my Tiger vibrates the most (around 4k).

Suspension can be sorted in some affordable and some less affordable ways, from re-valving to fully adjustable cartridges and shocks everything is possible. The bike is so good overall that this feels worth it.

Btw: we did a fairly slow and very smooth and relaxed ride, some freeways at 65 to 70, some highways and backroads at 40 to 60mph and also a lot of National Park roads and I averaged 4.2L/100km (56mpg). Should ride with my wife more often. She was on her F650GS and got 3.3L/100 (71mpg) btw.

Overall verdict: Brilliant bike. Lots of fun, some easy to fix niggles, gearing could be better (but I can easily live with it), suspension will need to get sorted like on most bikes in that class. Absolutely great for backroad fun, really nice for midrange touring (300 to 400 mile days). Can do longer, but prefer not too. Too much fun going on backroads where you can't do the miles ...
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:49 PM   #13503
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Found another Fuel exhaust video. I watched this right when I first got my bike. When he pulled the baffle out, I couldn't get my credit card out fast enough. Take my money!!!

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Old 07-16-2012, 07:12 AM   #13504
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I LOVE the Shinkos. I got 4700 out of my first rear. And 3400 of those miles were fully loaded with panniers on. The front will always wear out slower than the rear. Usually by a rate of 2 to 1. So, I'm on my second 705 rear. I like the price and mileage. Also gets the best traction off road of the three rear non-knobbies I've run. It beats the Tourance everywhere. I got 5700 out of the Tourance for twice the price. IMO the 705 gets better traction everywhere. And I get to put a new one on sooner for half the price. That's getting your money's worth. I liked the Battlewing a lot too. But once again, the 705 is cheaper and I think it does better everywhere. The BW beat the Tourance and the 705 beats em both.
If you like the 705, try the Full Bore M-40. Same tread pattern, though the spaces between the lugs are a little wider (on the 150/70-17 at least), making it slightly more aggressive for offroad use. And it's V-rated instead of H. And lasts a lot longer -- I wore out my 705 rear tire in 4500 miles, but am at almost 6000 on the M-40 rear and it looks like it should last another 1000 miles or so.

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Old 07-16-2012, 08:20 AM   #13505
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Found another Fuel exhaust video. I watched this right when I first got my bike. When he pulled the baffle out, I couldn't get my credit card out fast enough. Take my money!!!

Sounds great, curious if any remap is necessary? If not, does it run any differently at low speeds, part throttle, or cruising speeds?
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:19 AM   #13506
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XC owner here. My first ADV bike, and the first I've toured on. (I sold a Valkyrie Interstate to get it, but I never toured on it.) I've done a few 300 mile days and a few overnights, and the bike is perfect for it, even on the superslab. No iron butt stuff, I need a new seat first. But stock is tolerable for 6 hours plus breaks. I'm actually on a three week business trip in PA righ now and I rode the bike instead taking the car. I'm guessing I had a hundred pounds on the bike including panniers, top box, tank bag, and backpack strapped to the pillion seat. I'd like a slightly stiffer rear spring, as I still have 3" sag with full preload when I'm solo/unloaded. But it rides nice and still handles regardless.

If you're debating roadie vs XC, don't be afraid of the XC on the road. I come from a sportbike background (I have a Speed Triple, Duck 996, and SV650 track bike), and I am not disappointed at all with th XC. I you feel the handling is sluggish, raise the forks 5-10mm, and it really carves. No more though, because it'll get twitchy and nervous at speed. It takes a slightly different riding style in the corners. The brakes are weak (by sportbike standards) and the suspension a little soft, so it's not really happy jamming on the brakes and slamming into a corner. It's much more rewarding to ride smooth and graceful.

I am NOT arguing the benefits/trade offs of the roadie, as I've never ridden one. I'm just saying the XC DOES work very well on the road.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:31 AM   #13507
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Loaded up, ready to hit the road for 3 weeks in PA.


GPS setup, Rox risers and BMW GS handlebar.

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Old 07-16-2012, 09:31 AM   #13508
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How was your trip? Sorry we never got to meet up.
It was awesome. I'm slacking on my ride reports because I'm trying to find a job. I should have time thur or fri...
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:53 AM   #13509
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If you like the 705, try the Full Bore M-40. Same tread pattern, though the spaces between the lugs are a little wider (on the 150/70-17 at least), making it slightly more aggressive for offroad use. And it's V-rated instead of H. And lasts a lot longer -- I wore out my 705 rear tire in 4500 miles, but am at almost 6000 on the M-40 rear and it looks like it should last another 1000 miles or so.

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Thanks for the plug, ordered a set from the folks in Utah. Did some quick research and mostly all good reports on them. If Ag_Mech likes the 705's then these should work out just fine.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:43 PM   #13510
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Only a couple mishaps this weekend...

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Old 07-16-2012, 01:31 PM   #13511
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Ha ha! You do seem to like throwing your bike at the scenery. Hilarious that you get the camera out before picking it up. Most of us go, like, "hope no-one saw that". Keep up the good work.
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Old 07-16-2012, 01:38 PM   #13512
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:16 PM   #13513
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I used my Full Bore tires in the mud last weekend. They worked way better than they should have. I did air down to 28lbs. I wanted to go lower, but the guy I was following is a maniac with a knobbie front tire. I was lucky to turn off ABS.





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Old 07-16-2012, 03:58 PM   #13514
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We did a 700 mile loop over the weekend (Sat/Sun) and therefore I feel I can comment on some of this better than I could before.

I guess this really comes down to personal sensitivities. We were in quite some traffic today for about 30 minutes and it was around 38C (100F) and other than the heat that dried me out, burned through my whole body, roasted my arms, ... there was really not much the bike contributed to it. Riding in heat is uncomfortable. We were in full riding gear which for me means long underwear, BMW Airflow pants with mesh inlays, BMW Ralley 2 jacket, Airflow gloves. Was it hot? Of course. Was the bike adding to the heat in any way that I felt was significant? Not at all.


Overall verdict: Brilliant bike. Lots of fun, some easy to fix niggles, gearing could be better (but I can easily live with it), suspension will need to get sorted like on most bikes in that class. Absolutely great for backroad fun, really nice for midrange touring (300 to 400 mile days). Can do longer, but prefer not too. Too much fun going on backroads where you can't do the miles ...
I'd have to agree about the heat, or more accurately the lack of it with the Tiger. I had read a few people complaining but I wasn't too concerned about it. We've had temps 37-40C (98-104F) for the past few weeks and I haven't noticed any engine heat bothering me. I've just been wearing my draggin jeans so get no protection from the heat and it's been a complete non issue.

For those of you who ride in the heat regularly, get your self an evaporative cooling vest. They work exceptionally well under a vented/mesh jacket.

PS Also agree with your overall verdict.
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:38 PM   #13515
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I'd have to agree about the heat, or more accurately the lack of it with the Tiger. I had read a few people complaining but I wasn't too concerned about it. We've had temps 37-40C (98-104F) for the past few weeks and I haven't noticed any engine heat bothering me. I've just been wearing my draggin jeans so get no protection from the heat and it's been a complete non issue.

For those of you who ride in the heat regularly, get your self an evaporative cooling vest. They work exceptionally well under a vented/mesh jacket.

PS Also agree with your overall verdict.
I don't know what your frame of reference is, but there is a huge difference in heat between my '97 R11RT and the Tiger. The BMW does have, arguably, the best heat management of any bike I've ridden...it's never a problem, even on the hottest days. With the Tiger, you WILL notice the heat when the fan starts running in stop and go traffic...not so much at cruise.

All that said, without radically altering the basic design, there's not much that could be done to substantially improve the situation and given all the other qualities of the bike, it's certainly not a deal breaker!

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