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Old 07-23-2012, 01:00 PM   #13681
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Good luck Clay. I too will be interested in how Triumph handles this. I am right on the Texas/Mexican border and looking at getting both an Explorer as well as an 800XC and all of my BMW-riding associates are trying to convince me that I will be better off with another BMW than a Triumph precisely because of the supposed ease of getting a BMW serviced in Latin America.
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:14 PM   #13682
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How big is the hole? Can you clean up around it and use some JB-Weld to repair it?

If so, then do that, put on the new final drive, and ride it to BA, where you can get it to a dealer to address warranty issues.
Hey Yossarian. That's pretty much the plan.

The Honda dealer here has put on the JB weld, put new oil in and brought the bike temp up and so far the patch is holding and I pray it will get me to Buenos Aires. Things aren't looking too rosey for when I get there.

I'm still waiting for a new chain and sprockets and it's been over 3 weeks waiting for that. I'm praying they will get here soon!

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Good luck Clay. I too will be interested in how Triumph handles this. I am right on the Texas/Mexican border and looking at getting both an Explorer as well as an 800XC and all of my BMW-riding associates are trying to convince me that I will be better off with another BMW than a Triumph precisely because of the supposed ease of getting a BMW serviced in Latin America.
Yes John, very interesting indeed. Guess I've been on pins and needles and have barely even heard a peep from Triumph Customer service, expect they are trying to see what they can do.

At this point of course I'd love any help they would give me, but at the least, some answers would be fantastic. Like can they fix my bike in Buenos Aires? If so, can they get the process going...like order parts because I can't wait around in Buenos Aires indefinetly. And if I know they can't fix the bke there, then maybe I could start making plans to ship the bike home. That would be unfortunate since I wasn't planning on ended my trip, but simply storing the bike for awhile, then coming back and continuing my trip. Also,will Triumph warrranty any of this? Ya, would be nice to know anything.

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Hey Yossarian. That's pretty much the plan.

The Honda dealer here has put on the JB weld, put new oil in and brought the bike temp up and so far the patch is holding and I pray it will get me to Buenos Aires. Things aren't looking too rosey for when I get there.

I'm still waiting for a new chain and sprockets and it's been over 3 weeks waiting for that. I'm praying they will get here soon!

thanks for your input!

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Clay,

Sorry to hear about your problems....

Couple of thoughts:

- Regarding the case..... If the hole wasn't too big (hopefully this is the situation), and the mechanic did a good job with the JB Weld, I'd forget about it and ride the shit out of it. Cases get holed all the time, and in most scenario's the JB Weld will work as a permanent fix.

- Regarding the chain..... Unfortunately 525's are hard to find in Latin America. I actually carried an extra chain (for my DR650) on my trip because of this issue. Not sure if the DR650 chain has enough links (i.e., if it is big enough)....but you may want to ask the local shops if they have a used/old DR650 around...if so, you may be able to scavenge the chain. Lastly, the other thing to watch out for, when your chain get old, worn, and kinked.....is that a "kinked" chain will eat right through a slider (swing arm protector), and can start to eat into your swing arm.

Anyway, I would hold out for a new chain before you ride (buying an aftermarket chain will not void your warranty).

Best of luck

P.S., I'll compare the number of links on my DR650 vs. my 800XC chain when I get home tonight and report back.
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Old 07-23-2012, 02:48 PM   #13685
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You are the 2nd person to puncture their case with a chain coming off. The other guy JB welded his and it has been working fine. He lives in the same city (roughly as me) but I don't know his user name here to contact him.

As far as being covered under warranty. I could see why it wouldn't be. Guess it depends on who last touched it etc.... I wouldn't count on the warranty.

Sorry you are having the issues.
Thanx for letting me know about the other guy with JB weld....I'm going to search him out.

As for "who touched the bike last".....The only thing tightening/adjusting the chain did, was post-pone the chain coming off, which is a good thing considering, I was in the middle of nowhere! I'm pretty sure maintenance that leads to damage is where one would run into warranty isssues. This was not the case.

One of my biggest issues here was the lack of support. No response from dealers and Triumph UK. If anyone of them would of just responded to me, I could of had a new chain and sprockets bought, paid for and waiting for me down the road before I had any problems. Not to mention, I was at the dealer in Colombia and the chain and sprockets really should of been replaced there. I'm not the bike mechanic here! I trusted what they told me and went on my merrry little way to the middle of nowhere where I had problems and then got zero help. If they even responded and said "don't ride with a worn chain." maybe I wouldn't of and saved all this bs.

Anyway, to this point I've still barely heard anything from Triumph. I'm not asking for miracles here, but a little communication would be a good start.

Still love the Tiger and really trying to have faith things will be made right in the end,

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Old 07-23-2012, 03:23 PM   #13686
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Thanx for letting me know about the other guy with JB weld....I'm going to search him out.

As for "who touched the bike last".....The only thing tightening/adjusting the chain did, was post-pone the chain coming off, which is a good thing considering, I was in the middle of nowhere! I'm pretty sure maintenance that leads to damage is where one would run into warranty isssues. This was not the case.

One of my biggest issues here was the lack of support. No response from dealers and Triumph UK. If anyone of them would of just responded to me, I could of had a new chain and sprockets bought, paid for and waiting for me down the road before I had any problems. Not to mention, I was at the dealer in Colombia and the chain and sprockets really should of been replaced there. I'm not the bike mechanic here! I trusted what they told me and went on my merrry little way to the middle of nowhere where I had problems and then got zero help. If they even responded and said "don't ride with a worn chain." maybe I wouldn't of and saved all this bs.

Anyway, to this point I've still barely heard anything from Triumph. I'm not asking for miracles here, but a little communication would be a good start.

Still love the Tiger and really trying to have faith things will be made right in the end,

cioa,
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Not saying you couldn't have had better communication, but this is your trip and ultimately you are the only one responsible for yourself. You say you're not a bike mechanic, but yet you're riding your bike "to the middle of nowhere". It would be prudent on your part to take a more active role in the maintenance of your bike. You don't need to be a mechanic to know when your chain is near or at the end of it's life. And if YOU had examined the chain yourself, then YOU could have made that call and not just blindly trusted an unknown shop. As you're discovering, you can't always trust a shop, any shop to do what they're going to say they're going to do, or do it correctly. And that could be a shop in North or South America. That's where knowing your bike, knowing how to do some simple maintenance items can go a long way, and turn that ride into an adventure.

Good luck, I hope you get your bike sorted and get on with your ride.
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:48 PM   #13687
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Thanx for letting me know about the other guy with JB weld....I'm going to search him out.

As for "who touched the bike last".....The only thing tightening/adjusting the chain did, was post-pone the chain coming off, which is a good thing considering, I was in the middle of nowhere! I'm pretty sure maintenance that leads to damage is where one would run into warranty isssues. This was not the case.

One of my biggest issues here was the lack of support. No response from dealers and Triumph UK. If anyone of them would of just responded to me, I could of had a new chain and sprockets bought, paid for and waiting for me down the road before I had any problems. Not to mention, I was at the dealer in Colombia and the chain and sprockets really should of been replaced there. I'm not the bike mechanic here! I trusted what they told me and went on my merrry little way to the middle of nowhere where I had problems and then got zero help. If they even responded and said "don't ride with a worn chain." maybe I wouldn't of and saved all this bs.

Anyway, to this point I've still barely heard anything from Triumph. I'm not asking for miracles here, but a little communication would be a good start.

Still love the Tiger and really trying to have faith things will be made right in the end,

cioa,
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Jb weld will work forever of properly applied. If you have problems or it starts to leak its only because it was not applied on a clean surface. If it does leak, tip the bike on its side and clean away any oil and use sand paper to rough it up. Re apply the jb weld and leave on its side for a good while. I would say 12 or so hours. That jb weld will get you back to Canada with no problems.
Sorry but I'm with the above inmate. You really need to be prepared and take care of your own bike. For me, jb weld is always on my bike. I have used it many many times.
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:57 PM   #13688
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Not saying you couldn't have had better communication, but this is your trip and ultimately you are the only one responsible for yourself. You say you're not a bike mechanic, but yet you're riding your bike "to the middle of nowhere". It would be prudent on your part to take a more active role in the maintenance of your bike. You don't need to be a mechanic to know when your chain is near or at the end of it's life. And if YOU had examined the chain yourself, then YOU could have made that call and not just blindly trusted an unknown shop. As you're discovering, you can't always trust a shop, any shop to do what they're going to say they're going to do, or do it correctly. And that could be a shop in North or South America. That's where knowing your bike, knowing how to do some simple maintenance items can go a long way, and turn that ride into an adventure.

Good luck, I hope you get your bike sorted and get on with your ride.

+1. Very well stated.

Clay, I sincerely wish you the best.

Go with the jb weld. It will be a permanent fix. Trying to find a chain from something else is a great recommendation. In situations like this, it is important to think outside the box and be creative.

Unfortunately, there is very little any of us can do for you from here. Hopefully your gf is still with you and she can occupy your time. You are stuck in a place that many of us will never get to visit. Enjoy your time there and understand this is part of the adventure and for some reason or another has the possibility to become a highlight. Good luck.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:02 PM   #13689
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Not saying you couldn't have had better communication, but this is your trip and ultimately you are the only one responsible for yourself. You say you're not a bike mechanic, but yet you're riding your bike "to the middle of nowhere". It would be prudent on your part to take a more active role in the maintenance of your bike. You don't need to be a mechanic to know when your chain is near or at the end of it's life. And if YOU had examined the chain yourself, then YOU could have made that call and not just blindly trusted an unknown shop. As you're discovering, you can't always trust a shop, any shop to do what they're going to say they're going to do, or do it correctly. And that could be a shop in North or South America. That's where knowing your bike, knowing how to do some simple maintenance items can go a long way, and turn that ride into an adventure.

Good luck, I hope you get your bike sorted and get on with your ride.
Thanx Bross and you're certainly right, and I was somewhat skeptical about the chain lasting to Buenos Aires when I did look at it. I'm not tryiing to be confrontational, but if you think I haven't looked at my chain, you are wrong. And I should of trusted my instincts instead of the dealership. My bad for trusting a certified Triumph Mechanic at the unknown Triumph dealership with the big Triumph sign out front.

Anyway, the bike has made it from Canada to here in Bolivia and I will get it to Buenos Aires. And it HAS been an adventure. I've seen more in the last 5 months then I probably have in the rest of my life, so in the end, whatever happens, it was all worth it to me. It would just be a lot better if Triumph helped fixed the bike, instead of leaving me up shit creak, without even responding to me. I spend a crap load of money on the bike and I at least deserve a response.

You have some great points, but I can't knit a new chain when there is none. I knew the chain was on the way out! That's why i asked Colombia Triumph to check it and get an expert opinion. That's why I emailed them back after I left asking for a new chain, why I emailed Triumph in Buenos Aires asking for a new chain, and why I emailed Triumph in the UK telling them my chain was on the way out asking for help contacting the dealerships here, and also why I contact Supersprox and had priced out a new chain and Sprockets before this happened.

Like most people, I have to try and stay on some sort of a schedule, keep moving and try to get the parts and service laid out down the road. If any one of those Triumph representatives would of responded to me in a timely fashion, I probably would of had a new chain and sprockets waiting for me in Lima or Cusco and had them put on before this happened.

Maybe you've been around the planet on motorcycle, but myself and a lot of othe people haven't and at some point I've had to trust and have a little faith in people and people that know more (about certain things) than I do. Was I wrong to trust people? I'm going to keep doing it, wheather on not you think it's a good idea. Sometimes it will work out and sometimes it won't but what is life like when you can't or won't trust anyone?

Anyway, basiclly sitting on the side fo the road in Bolivia and it's pretty easy to call me an idiot from your armchair. I'm feeling pretty responsible for getting exactly where I am, no one else did it for me. I know I messed up by not sitting and waiting for a new chain to materialize before this happened, but at the same time, I have a right to tell my side of the story and I asked for help and support not for a critique from the peanut gallery.

But, thanx for your good wishes! I'm just not feeling the sincerity.

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Old 07-23-2012, 04:44 PM   #13690
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+1. Very well stated.

Clay, I sincerely wish you the best.

Go with the jb weld. It will be a permanent fix. Trying to find a chain from something else is a great recommendation. In situations like this, it is important to think outside the box and be creative.

Unfortunately, there is very little any of us can do for you from here. Hopefully your gf is still with you and she can occupy your time. You are stuck in a place that many of us will never get to visit. Enjoy your time there and understand this is part of the adventure and for some reason or another has the possibility to become a highlight. Good luck.
Hey Av Mech,

Thanx for the luck. I have made a lot out of my time in La Paz. I climbed a mountain to almost 20,000feet, rode death road (on a mountain bike) hahah. Trekked in the jungle and went to the wetlands amoung a bunch of other things.

My new chain and sprockets should be here from Supersprox hopefully today and the JB weld has been on for awhile now and I'm just waiting for the parts.

I did have some JD weld with me, but choose to have the bike brought to the Honda shop where there was more oil and the bike could sit until the new chain and sprocket arrrived.

I think the Triumph dealer network did let me down, to this point. The dealer back home was great with giving me advice,but otherwise it hasn't been great at all. I was simply trying to get some parts shipped out to me and couldnt get a single reply. Do I expect Triumph to send someone here to fix my bike? NO! Should I be able to get some parts sent out to me? I bloody well think so!

All I want to know is how and where I can get my bike fixed propertly and I've been waiting on Triumph customer support for over 3 weeks to get some answers. The JB weld in on and I intend to ride the TIger. I've never had a JB weld patch on an engine case and other people have told me it's not a permanent fix. Some people say it's fine. Shit, I don't know. Will the patch fail on me at a worse time or place when I don't have any oil with me? Anyway, when I re-sell the bike I will have to in good conscious tell a buyer that the case has JD weld on it and the re-sale value of the bike will be affected, i'm sure.

I'd like to have the bike fixed properly, for myself and for the next owner.... and maybe, just maybe if I get a little support, Triumph will step up to the plate and help me out once I get to Argentina.

Anyway, I know things will work out one way or another and I've been in worse jams with less back-up, so I guess I feel right at home.

thanks for your input,

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Old 07-23-2012, 05:09 PM   #13691
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In this era of wireless, smart phones, SPOT trackers, GPS, etc., it is natural to get lulled into a sense of the world being a much safer and smaller place to ride than it used to be. Then something like this occurs, and you realize that all of this technology is only as useful as the people on the other end in the customer service department. I am sorry to hear about your situation, and especially disappointed that now that Triumph has entered the ADV market seriously, it hasn't established the kind of dealer support that other companies already have in place. Let's face it, if you were on an old R80, you would have been on your way weeks ago.

That is the downside of Triumphs and Ducatis, Guzzis, etc., and why many experienced world travelers stick with older but proven technology that has existed so long that parts are plentiful everywhere. I really love Triumphs because of the triple engines, and I think they have some great designs. Still, the paucity of dealers is a concern, as is their communications and your story highlights this point dramatically.

While I do agree that carrying replacement spares for consumable parts is a good idea and would have prevented your situation, that doesn't excuse Triumph's piss poor treatment of you. The problem could have been something else that is unpredictable, like an electronic component, and in such a case, Triumph's poor communication would have been just as inexcusable. Had they responded quickly and offered to expedite parts to you, your experience would have been a different one, and even had you been laid up this long waiting, such a simple gesture would have you in much better spirits I am sure. Good luck to you, and I hope this story eventually has a happy ending!
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Clay,

Sorry to hear about your problems....

Couple of thoughts:

- Regarding the case..... If the hole wasn't too big (hopefully this is the situation), and the mechanic did a good job with the JB Weld, I'd forget about it and ride the shit out of it. Cases get holed all the time, and in most scenario's the JB Weld will work as a permanent fix.

- Regarding the chain..... Unfortunately 525's are hard to find in Latin America. I actually carried an extra chain (for my DR650) on my trip because of this issue. Not sure if the DR650 chain has enough links (i.e., if it is big enough)....but you may want to ask the local shops if they have a used/old DR650 around...if so, you may be able to scavenge the chain. Lastly, the other thing to watch out for, when your chain get old, worn, and kinked.....is that a "kinked" chain will eat right through a slider (swing arm protector), and can start to eat into your swing arm.

Anyway, I would hold out for a new chain before you ride (buying an aftermarket chain will not void your warranty).

Best of luck

P.S., I'll compare the number of links on my DR650 vs. my 800XC chain when I get home tonight and report back.
Thanx for the support Breeze! I didn't think the DR650 had the 525, but thanx for mentioning that. If all else fails im going to look. Too bad the KLR doesn't have 525, there are tonnes of them here!

Oh ya, I will check the chain slider on the swing arm. Don't wan't that to get chewed-up.

Hopefully the new chain and sprockets will be here soon. I just tracked them and they are in La Paz! Maybe, just maybe if I'm really lucky, they'll be at the shop tomorow morning and I'll be back on the road tomorrow.

Now the question is, would I be foolish if I took a small detour to Uyuni and the salt flats or should I be riding straight to the dealer in Buenos Aires? hmmm.

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Sorry to hear about your troubles. The complete lack of communication is unacceptable. I hope your back rolling again soon.
Just out of curiosity, how are you clean & lubing the chain? How many miles did you get before it came off.
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Now the question is, would I be foolish if I took a small detour to Uyuni and the salt flats or should I be riding straight to the dealer in Buenos Aires? hmmm.
With a newly fitted final drive, and with the engine case fix holding well, I would take your detour and enjoy it. You've spent enough time waiting to do the riding. Besides, you might get to BA and find that Triumph won't do anything for you there anyway.

Here's hoping your parts are in tomorrow.
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In this era of wireless, smart phones, SPOT trackers, GPS, etc., it is natural to get lulled into a sense of the world being a much safer and smaller place to ride than it used to be. Then something like this occurs, and you realize that all of this technology is only as useful as the people on the other end in the customer service department. I am sorry to hear about your situation, and especially disappointed that now that Triumph has entered the ADV market seriously, it hasn't established the kind of dealer support that other companies already have in place. Let's face it, if you were on an old R80, you would have been on your way weeks ago.

That is the downside of Triumphs and Ducatis, Guzzis, etc., and why many experienced world travelers stick with older but proven technology that has existed so long that parts are plentiful everywhere. I really love Triumphs because of the triple engines, and I think they have some great designs. Still, the paucity of dealers is a concern, as is their communications and your story highlights this point dramatically.

While I do agree that carrying replacement spares for consumable parts is a good idea and would have prevented your situation, that doesn't excuse Triumph's piss poor treatment of you. The problem could have been something else that is unpredictable, like an electronic component, and in such a case, Triumph's poor communication would have been just as inexcusable. Had they responded quickly and offered to expedite parts to you, your experience would have been a different one, and even had you been laid up this long waiting, such a simple gesture would have you in much better spirits I am sure. Good luck to you, and I hope this story eventually has a happy ending!
Thanx for your comments and support Ssevy. I was really reluctant to carry an extra chain, sprocket and tires, but I'm really starting to see the value in that, even if it means having heavy panniers on the rough roads and lugging stuff in and out of hostels, and finding ways to secure it when you have to leave the bike. I still have a lot to learn, but I figured the only way was to stop procrastinating and get on the road.

So, I put a lot of stock in Triumph and took a chance. The TIGER has been great and I do love the triple engine. The truth is, I want to keep travelling. I have to go back home and take a course first, but I plan to travel the rest of the world. I'm going to wait and see what TRIUMPH does here and then make some decisions, about how I will be making the rest of my journey. There is some good people back in Canada that work for Triumph and I really think the folks at Triumph USA are in my corner too. I'm putting some faith in them and that Triumph wants be be a serious contenter in the ADV Riding world. I think the only way they will succeed is by winning some trust. Right now, I'm on the fence, but there is still hope, for me at least.

thanx so much for your comments... I've been sitting here in La Paz silently since last month and finally had to vent a bit; but my trip has still been awesome and I'm sure things will work out.

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