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Old 11-21-2014, 02:16 PM   #1
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Commercial window install, quality opinion?

I am having an office addition put onto a commercial metal building. It has been quite an education. It seems the contractors are accustomed to trashing the grounds and having someone clean up behind and I can understand that to a point for dirt up construction. I was looking at the window install job today and made some observations that cause me to have a difference of opinion with the installer.
Look at the hole lower left of the interior pic. Daylight thru to outside??
The general contractor is getting window manufacturer install requirements to show me that "this is ok, industry standard, good enough, blah blah". Realistically the sheet metal frames outside of the window openings are not sealed except on top. The aluminum window frames (brown) are sealed sides and top but the bottom is set into an L shape so water would run out from the frame joints and after all it IS just a metal building that is not really BARRIER sealed to the exterior. It annoys me that my sheetrock will be first line of defense inside.


1) Should I STFU and let them finish the building because this is "typical installation"?
2) Get someone else, have them remove/ replace the windows, tell my contractor to stuff it.
3) Bill them (general contractor) for (my time) for not doing their job to ensure quality on my project.
4) Build up to sell and get out ( one of these days)....tick.....tock......

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Old 11-21-2014, 03:32 PM   #2
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Don't all windows like that get caulked from the outside? I don't think he is finished.
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Old 11-21-2014, 05:22 PM   #3
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That's a B.S. install. The window looks like "storefront" (AKA rectangular aluminum extrusions). The window sill should start with a sill pan with end dams, to capture any moisture that gets into the system (and it will!) and then a receiver piece (provided from the window MFR) that sits on top of that. The window is then set into that assembly with sealant at the bottom / back side. All fasteners at the base should be through sealant to prevent water from entering the wall assembly below. The jambs should be taped with flexible flashing that extend down over the side end dams of the base flashing. in any case, you should never see daylight through an exterior assembly...

Can you provide the brand / model?

I get to detail this stuff all the time and watch the GC's and sub's screw it up in the field.
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Old 12-04-2014, 11:24 AM   #4
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Thank you both

I really needed to rant.
The installation is complete
a crap job. They are "standard frames"
The whole project is a crap job. Civil construction is highly competitive and only has to meet code. If one does something a certain way long enough they become convinced it is "good enough". Hide it behind drywall, cash the check quickly. No workmanship here.
My expectations and those of others (the builder) seem to differ.
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Old 12-04-2014, 11:48 AM   #5
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I hate watching commercial construction go up. No one builds for quality any more, because the expectation is that it'll be torn down in ten years to make way for the next new thing.

There is an apartment building going up next door to where I work. It's part of a new Arts District that's being planned. The original building that started the revival on this end was a brick grocery warehouse that has been nicely converted to apartments, but this structure is stick-built. Would have been nice if they'd at least done post and beam construction, but would have been even better if they'd used structural brick so it would last awhile. The old building will easily be here for another hundred years, but this new thing will fall down the first time the wind hits it.
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Old 12-04-2014, 12:12 PM   #6
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Is the window installer the same as the manufacturer? Usually isn't. Manufacturer makes a window who sells to an installer. If this is the case and you are running into roadblocks from the installer, contact the manufacturer. Try and get a local window manufacturer rep to come look at the install. Typically they are not happy to see there product installed in a sub-standard way.
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