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Old 11-08-2011, 04:30 AM   #1726
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I bought a set of lights a year ago-(10 and a 24).They worked great until recently when 1 bulb quit working,then the other light quit completely.Called sanjoh and he said to box them up and send them to him.Got a p.m. yesterday that they fixed the 24 and are sending me a new 30 to replace the 10.So Thanks go out to Sanjoh and Dave.Good service means a lot these days.Ed
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Old 11-09-2011, 11:07 AM   #1727
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Snoopy, maybe you could shit all over this vendor in private or something.
my exact thoughts

i agree and hope the crap does get flushed from this thread.

While no product is perfect, at least have this vendor's product before trashing it and the vendor.
I totally agree.

I looked at the prices at clearwater lights. You've got to be kidding me! The "cheap" set is $500, and the better set is $650! Except that I have better things to do with my money (like light cigars, if I smoked), I'd buy a set and open them up to see the differences. Even if there are differences, they can't be enough to warrant that kind of difference in price.

They won't even publish the lumens their lights put out. And a picture of the beam pattern would be nice, like what I find at ADVMonster...but the folks at clearwater lights don't have good pictures.

I looked at the Denali lights when a friend swore by his. But then I noticed they only put out 900 lumens. That's about half of what the Model 30 puts out...and those are $300 a set.

I opened up my Model 30 lights when I first got them and did notice the lack of thermal grease. Since I used to build computers, I had some thermal grease left over and added some. Maybe that has helped? In any case, I don't feel a lot of heat coming from them.

I needed aux lights with a tight focused beam that I could use in traffic to extend the light just beyond where the low-beams quit. I bought two of the Model 30 lights in June. Since then, I've put on about 6000 miles and they have worked great. I love them. They might not be perfect, and they may only last a year or two. I can live with that, for this price. At even a failure every year, it would take me 10 years to equal the price of the clearwater lights. The brackets are holding up fine too, so far. The roads in Seattle are not smooth and the whole front of the bike vibrates a lot when just going down I-5.

And where does "snoopy" get this stuff about the lights being designed to operate only in a fish tank? (Me thinks snoopy has been drinkin' too much Guinness.)

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Old 11-09-2011, 02:55 PM   #1728
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Can agree for the price it's a good deal if they even last a year,$650 for lights thats why I went with Advmonster and his dimmer good products. Snoop needs to ask Lucy about manners.
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Old 11-09-2011, 04:23 PM   #1729
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I for one am interested in what snoopy has to say. I've been keeping an eye on this thread for a long time, since there was another thread showing where to get these lights cheaper.

I'd like a reliable light at a good price and won't pay $500 for a pair but I don't want a Trail tech redux either.
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Old 11-09-2011, 05:25 PM   #1730
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I dont have a problem with anyone who has bought these lights sharing a negative opinion about the product, the vendor, or their experience. That is the point of this thread BUT

when you haven't bought these lights and seemingly refuse to purchase

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The way I see it these guys have bulk ordered from the Chinese factory and say they've made some super-duper changes yet the facts are;

1. this light is designed for under water. It requires a bigger heatsink for sustained usage in air or movement.
2. the bracket is designed for a fish tank, and they passed on the original bracket for use on a motorcycle. It is clearly going to fail but is a matter of time and frequency of the engine.
3. the lights they sell exhibit LED burn, indicating they are using the same internal electronics.

If you're happy to take their word for it then fine. I'll keep my skepticism until proved otherwise with proper evidence.
I wonder what his purpose is, and by his own admission he has purchased a DIFFERENT sellers product

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I'm trying to find the Chinese lad I bought the 9W and 11W models from, bloody Paypal has deleted all history before May...

Totally different driver circuit in the 9w and 11w. Is anything stopping your circuit from shorting on the walls?, the 9W/11W driver is better made and shrink wrapped to boot.
because of this I dont feel that he has any place to comment about a product he has NO personal experience with. As soon as he send ADVmonster $100 or $200 for his own light(s) and either puts them in use or takes them apart to his heart's delight; his comments would then have some validity and would therefore be welcomed.

But hey what do I know
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:03 PM   #1731
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Cool, I learned something I didn't know before. I'm a poor sunny weather summer rider only, so never worry about those things...
Hehehe... I ride year-round...

I installed a model-30 spot beam LED lamp into the low-beam position on my sidecar earlier this year.




As you can see, the lamp is well recessed inside a molded well in the fiberglass body of the sidecar.
I was a bit concerned that this might lead to overheating problems and an early failure of the lamp; but so far it seems to be doing fine after some all-day summertime trips in the heat.
It has also survived some heavy rain storms with no water getting in or fogging.

I did fabricate my own mounting bracket for the lamp to get it to mount properly in the nose of the sidecar as shown versus the PIAA 55-watt halogen lamp that it replaced.


The below shots show the sidecar rig parked about 35-feet from a garage door with (1) just the Model-30 spot lamp, (2) LED + low beam, (3) LED + High beams. {Camera was set to manual exposure and left the same for all shots to get good comparitive lighting effect. (Canon SX100, ISO-200, 1/15sec @ f2.8)}




I will let you know how well it handles snow and icing conditions in a few weeks when it starts getting a bit colder in these parts...

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Old 11-09-2011, 10:08 PM   #1732
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I for one am interested in what snoopy has to say. I've been keeping an eye on this thread for a long time, since there was another thread showing where to get these lights cheaper.
Whether or not these cheaper lights are exactly the same, should be proved by disassembly. For example, they might look identical but contain inferior electronics (e.g. without overheat protection).

I'm all for critical thinking, but indeed one has to have these particular lights to provide any authoritative feedback on them.

Sometimes I read a review about a product that goes something like this "Product is so expensive I bought a copy at halft the price. It gave me all kinds of problems - so this product is shit". Complete bullshit...
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:35 PM   #1733
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Well, I guess I'll chime in with my 2 cents, I've read every post twice so I'm entitled.

Snoopy has had his say and there isn't anything more he can add that isn't just obnoxious. So Snoopy, please find another thread to shit on or risk the wrath of the mods. Fair warning.

This product is clearly a work in progress. Two things stand out: the lights in development have had their problems and the customer service has been excellent. I was really impressed by the fellow who took a set apart and reviewed them; I wish more people would test products and offfer helpful feedback.

Yes, there are a few other LED lights out there. I put Denalis on my GF's bike last year (made by VisionX and rebranded, I am told), Clearwaters, and some others. All are a lot more expensive (and a perfectly fine product I might add). Funny that the famous makers like PIAA, Hella, and so on haven't kept pace. But that's why these guys are filling a niche.

I know very little about the technical aspects of electrical products, but I am a user and know what works for me. Reliability is at the top of the list so I encourage the vendors to keep working on improving the lights to be bulletproof. I suspect everyone but Snoopy would agree with me on that. Some other things I've noticed. There is no harness offered. Canbus bikes need some special attention and lots of people on this site are BMW owners. I found a harness with switch on ebay but would rather have bought it all here. The switch offered here is a Clearwater product and requires a placement that puts a hole in the bike which I don't want. You can offer one of your own and I hope you develop one. I really like the handlbar switch offered on Cyclenutz that looks like an OEM product - which it is for Yamaha. But it only fits 7/8" bars - beats me why. I also appreciate the photos of the pattern - clever to use a pool (but a little strange to me being in Alaska, since in the past 30 years I've never seen a swimming pool here). How about a fuse block? I had a hassle buying an AP-2 and harness, but they aren't that complicated to make or improve upon, I would imagine.

So I purchased the 30's in a spot pattern. I was looking for a flood, which isn't offered, because all I want them for is to be seen. The only time it's dark where I live is when the roads are covered with ice and snow. In the summer we have light almost through the entire night, and it never really gets dark, dark. In the end I thought the spot will serve me well so I'm in.

One last observation. The LEDs are quickly getting to the point of replacing headlights due to developments in brightness, but they are right now widely being used for a variety of uses - headlights, conspicuity, and observing wildlife in the ditches - but sometimes in competition with the OEM lights. For that reason, some folks are placing their lights in a variety of places - high for the angle for this or that and so on. LEDs have reached the brightness where we need to be sure they don't wash out the signals. Everyone loves the brightness and some folks are getting carried away where they are not making sufficient separation from their signals. Be careful, be safe!
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Old 11-09-2011, 11:17 PM   #1734
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I have two bikes set up with the 24 watt floods on the skinny mounts , couldn't be more pleased .

I have them mounted close to the top triple and I think this is a really stable place for them .

Not one problem with mounts or lights .

These are both dirt bikes and I ride mostly single track so they have been well tested .
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Old 11-11-2011, 12:09 PM   #1735
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I absolutely love that hack setup!!
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Old 11-11-2011, 09:22 PM   #1736
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I absolutely love that hack setup!!
No cooling problems with the lights in that environment.
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Old 11-12-2011, 09:04 AM   #1737
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Im on the border of Ecuador and Peru. I rode here from Seattle. My friend Tom is in Chile, he too rode from Seattle.

Tom has two of the 10watt lights on his bike. They are both still working and he has ridden over 17k miles. His mounts started to crack, and are now reinforced with steel putty. New heavy duty mounts when he gets home if he brings the lights with him.

I have a 30watt and a 40watt light. Both are still working. Both mounts started to crack and have been reinforced with J-B weld. I crashed HARD 3 times. Each time the lights were fine. They are bolted through my Highway Dirt Bike hand guards, very close to my headlamp shroud.

On my last crash, my left light had its lens cracked. It sat, pointing up to the sky, for 4 weeks. When I was able to get it from the police (after the accident), it was full of water. I let it dry for 24 hours, and replaced the lense with 3 layers of clear plastic bag. 1k miles later, its ok.

Both of us ride DR650s, a 2007 and 2008.

I like this lights, and my Dr650 at home has 2 24watt lights as well. Going to put them on my BMW K75 when I get home.

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Old 11-12-2011, 09:45 AM   #1738
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Great torture test ... thanks for the info and good luck on the rest of the ride.
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:54 AM   #1739
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No cooling problems with the lights in that environment.

Yeah I don't imagine so.
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Great torture test ... thanks for the info and good luck on the rest of the ride.
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