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Old 08-27-2010, 07:26 PM   #31
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Good start, I guess- but I didn't really see anything wrong with the 650.
I'm tired of bigger is better. (After a certain point, I don't think it is)
I think it needs the extra engine capacity to meet the latest sound and emissions regs and still make decent power. Failure to meet those regs is what killed the W650 here in Japan last year.

Shame that there's no kickstarter.
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Old 08-27-2010, 07:34 PM   #32
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If Kawasaki wants to build a retro bike and have it be a sales success, then they should make this. In America, there's HUGE numbers of riders that recognize this. They'll probably have to sneak watercooling into it for emissions, but stay as true to form as mechanically feasible.
Don't make a Lawson replica out of it. That's been done.
Downsize it from the first one, like 7/8th's scale, and still wedge in a 1 liter engine. Afterall, 1 liter bikes are the new midsized. Make it an exact 903cc and SAY SO on the bike.
THIS would sell.

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Old 08-27-2010, 07:44 PM   #33
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If Kawasaki wants to build a retro bike and have it be a sales success, then they should make this.
They sold the Zephyr 1100 in the '90s. Never in the US though.



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Old 08-27-2010, 07:47 PM   #34
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As much as I enjoyed my W650, I'm not sure the 800 would sell much better. Granted, the 3000 or so W650s sold is not a hard number to top.

Hopefully the 800 didn't gain any weight. The 650 seemed just right to me, enough, but not too much, of just about everything. The first thing I would have done to improve it would have been suspension. After that, I would want wheels that can run radials, then maybe start thinking about brake upgrades and more power.

Going from the lighter, more powerful, better braked SV650 to the W650, it never felt overweight/underpowered/underbraked. I actually liked the W much more than the SV. It would even go down a dirt road well enough.
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Old 08-27-2010, 07:50 PM   #35
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Yeah, pretty close that Zephyr, I remember they did something similiar here but it had shaft drive. It was sort of cruiser affair also.
I do like the W650 tower shaft engine, it takes some 'nards to build one of them. Lots of ways to make issues when tolerance stacking during manufacture rears it's head.
(Not so much with modern CNC machinery though.)

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Old 08-27-2010, 10:07 PM   #36
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Photos from Japan...

...taken this summer.

This model is fairly current.



Brand new, in the shop!

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Old 08-27-2010, 10:10 PM   #37
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Zephyr availability.

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They sold the Zephyr 1100 in the '90s. Never in the US though.
Actually, the ZR1100 was available for one or two years. As was the ZR750 - I owned one of those for a short time. Both very nice bikes!
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:26 PM   #38
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My first bike was a Zephyr 550. Neat little bike. If I had room in my life for another bike something like the W800 would be great.
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:32 PM   #39
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No ABS == no sale.

End of discussion.
for you maybe....many people prefer no ABS if given a choice.
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:36 PM   #40
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No ABS == no sale.

End of discussion.
And you are welcome to your own opinion. Don't buy one. But why downplay the experience of those riders who disagree with you?

I like the bike, and the idea behind it. The retro look, bevel drive cam, chain final. Uncomplicated and clean design. Now the Harley 883, Triumph and Guzzi 800 shoppers will have another option. There's a lot to be said for get-back-to-basics motorcycles with modern reliability at decent prices.

Like many others here, I never knew the W-650 was on the market until they were gone. Would I have bought one? Doubtful, 'cause I love more stomp. Would I have bought a W-800, had they been out in '07? Again, doubtful ~ but it would likely have made my "short list". I tend to buy for long-term, and had some very specific wants in mind.

To each his/her own......ride what ya love, and do it often. And yes, I certainly would like to test-ride a W-800, if they come Stateside.
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:39 PM   #41
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On a vStrom ABS costs $500, that's chump change unless you live in a house that used to have wheels.

The best racers riders find it difficult to out brake the newest ABS in controlled dry conditions on a track, in controlled wet conditions they can't beat any ABS ever.

City streets are not controlled conditions. ABS wins in the "not always predictable" real world every time.
You're wasting your breath with absolute statements like that - as if you're going to convince someone he doesn't know what's best for him.

I've had ABS bikes that I liked fine, it was invisible (FJR). I've had it on bikes where I hated it ('03 R1150GS Adventure with servo-assist)

After 42 yrs of riding on and offroad and better than a half million miles under my belt, I want a choice and I will opt out given the choice.
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:44 PM   #42
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You're wasting your breath with absolute statements like that - as if you're going to convince someone he doesn't know what's best for him.

I've had ABS bikes that I liked fine, it was invisible (FJR). I've had it on bikes where I hated it ('03 R1150GS Adventure with servo-assist)

After 42 yrs of riding on and offroad and better than a half million miles under my belt, I want a choice and I will opt out given the choice.
Amen, Brother Goose!

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Old 08-28-2010, 03:56 AM   #43
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You're wasting your breath with absolute statements like that - as if you're going to convince someone he doesn't know what's best for him.
Facts are facts.
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Old 08-28-2010, 04:04 AM   #44
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Yeah, pretty close that Zephyr, I remember they did something similiar here but it had shaft drive. It was sort of cruiser affair also.
I do like the W650 tower shaft engine, it takes some 'nards to build one of them. Lots of ways to make issues when tolerance stacking during manufacture rears it's head.
(Not so much with modern CNC machinery though.)

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Old 08-28-2010, 04:46 AM   #45
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Hey Uncle Ernie,
Quit rubbing it in, you stole it from me. Yea and it you liked it so much why did you butcher it up?

I still recall standing in a one window shed down from your house.
Conversation went something like this;

Are you crazy?! I'll take it.

"Don't you want me to start it?"

No. I'll take it.

"Well- at least listen to it-"

WHY do you want to sell this?

"mumble mumble, blah blah blah"

HERE'S THE CASH- i'LL TAKE IT!

I have the perfect bike for you; There's a great Royal Enfield dealer in someplace in Florida with "paw" in the name. (Hollopaw?) Get one for each town you have a house in.



Anyhoo- I figured out what bugs me about the OP's picture. I think I might need to paint the HL bucket blace. Just too much of a chrome wad up front for me.
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