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Old 01-25-2011, 11:23 AM   #556
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Not in common usage of the terms. ABS is active control of braking to control skids; traction control is active control of power delivery to control skids. Completely different animals.

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Same thing.
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Old 01-25-2011, 12:09 PM   #557
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Same thing.
While technically accurate in physics terms (braking is simply acceleration in the negative plane), you're nit picking for the sake of being an pain. The two have different functions based on the current phase of riding (forward acceleration vs. braking - engine impetus vs binder impetus).

In other words, don't be an ass
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Old 01-25-2011, 01:02 PM   #558
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While technically accurate in physics terms (braking is simply acceleration in the negative plane), you're nit picking for the sake of being an pain. The two have different functions based on the current phase of riding (forward acceleration vs. braking - engine impetus vs binder impetus).
Impetus? Care to move up to 14th century physics?

Different functions - same system. Traction control systems use the ABS system to control wheelspin.
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Old 01-25-2011, 02:23 PM   #559
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Different functions - same system. Traction control systems use the ABS system to control wheelspin.
Both may use the same wheel speed sensors, but the systems are divergent from this point forward. An ABS system has valving and a pump to release and re-apply pressure in the brake system. Traction control requires an electronic throttle and/or systems to change ignition timing or dump spark. The software is completely different also.

To say that ABS and traction control are the same because they both use wheel sensors is like saying that fuel injection and carbs are the same because they share a fuel tank.

And BTW, there are lots of vehicles which have one or the other or both which certainly sounds like they're pretty independent of one another.

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Old 01-25-2011, 03:28 PM   #561
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While technically accurate in physics terms (braking is simply acceleration in the negative plane), you're nit picking for the sake of being an pain. The two have different functions based on the current phase of riding (forward acceleration vs. braking - engine impetus vs binder impetus).

In other words, don't be an ass
he can't help it when he looks looks into the mirror he sees two hairy butt cheeks.
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Old 01-25-2011, 04:26 PM   #562
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Both may use the same wheel speed sensors, but the systems are divergent from this point forward.
Functionally they're no different. They both prevent the wheel from rotating outside of it's performance envelope.
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An ABS system has valving and a pump to release and re-apply pressure in the brake system. Traction control requires an electronic throttle and/or systems to change ignition timing or dump spark. The software is completely different also.
ABS is 1920's technology.

Modern ABS systems already have software. It's not a huge stretch to add a section of code: "when not braking and wheel acceleration exceeds set limits send a signal to alter ignition or fuel map." New bikes with older style electrics might have to add 0.65˘ of wire. Modern bikes can do the signaling via the existing can-bus.
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To say that ABS and traction control are the same because they both use wheel sensors is like saying that fuel injection and carbs are the same because they share a fuel tank.

And BTW, there are lots of vehicles which have one or the other or both which certainly sounds like they're pretty independent of one another.

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Traction control complements ABS. They're the same because they help prevent the operator from exceeding the limits of traction.

What production motorcycle has traction control but not ABS?
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What production motorcycle has traction control but not ABS?
Your argument is truly bizarre.

Ducati 1198 to name one.

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Old 01-25-2011, 05:06 PM   #564
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Why can't we get this?

I would buy this.
Why indeed. As with the Thruxton, it likely wouldn't sell in large numbers but it would build interest for the line and brand and really, how expense of a spin off the base 800 could it be? My guess is it would be premium priced with most of that being incremental profit. 'beautiful bike and such a simple thing to execute.....
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Old 01-25-2011, 05:14 PM   #565
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Ducati 1198 to name one.
The only one apparently, or you would have listed all of the others.

Doesn't matter in any case - the W800 doesn't have ABS or traction control and it isn't sold here.
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The only one apparently, or you would have listed all of the others.

Doesn't matter in any case - the W800 doesn't have ABS or traction control and it isn't sold here.
you really think you know all don't you?
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you really think you know all don't you?
What dealer in the U.S. is selling the W800?
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I really don't even blame Gelandestrasse, anymore. I blame the people who keep engaging him in conversation. He is what he is, but we already know that. But there is always that guy that will start it up with him again. It is an utterly foolish endeavor.
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What dealer in the U.S. is selling the W800?
the bottom line is you enjoy shitting on treads!
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the bottom line is you enjoy shitting on treads!
I'm just here to present reality to the 301.81's like yourself.
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