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Old 08-28-2010, 12:17 PM   #61
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It's just like a helmet. You don't know when, or even if you might need it. If you need it and you don't have it. That's the point.
how about knowing how to ride correctly and apply "oh sh@t" brakes without locking them up? I know its a bit of a stretch, but sometimes just sometimes instead of looking at the equipment look at the rider.
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:31 PM   #62
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F*ck ABS, where the hell is the kickstarter?

Our local Suzuki dealer owner went to the annual new model show in Japan back in the early 1980s when Japanese bikes started not having kickstarters.

He asked the Suzuki rep in Japan why so many new streetbikes were coming without kickstarters.

And the Suzuki rep's reply was: "Car no have kickstarter."

Like cars have anything to do with motorcycles.
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:50 PM   #63
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how about knowing how to ride correctly and apply "oh sh@t" brakes without locking them up? I know its a bit of a stretch, but sometimes just sometimes instead of looking at the equipment look at the rider.
The best professional riders in controlled conditions can't beat the new ABS.

If you want real retro why aren't you pining for drum brakes?
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:51 PM   #64
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frankly, I'd prefer a bike to have kickers as a standard feature.

ABS is just totally unnecessary in my book. on a car, you may easily lock the brakes, but a bike, with some common sense, thats NO issue, AT ALL.
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:53 PM   #65
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frankly, I'd prefer a bike to have kickers as a standard feature.

ABS is just totally unnecessary in my book. on a car, you may easily lock the brakes, but a bike, with some common sense, thats NO issue, AT ALL.
Statistics say otherwise.

They'll be mandatory soon, so this discussion is moot.
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:57 PM   #66
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That W400 ilooks great!
It makes more sense to bring em over to these shores now than ever. The other alternatives for newbs to get into bikes are what, Ninja 250's, a couple of Hyosungs, and Royal Enfields.
And forget newbs to biking, how about people fed up with bigger is better or stuffed to the tits with electrics. I think there are enough people who want a no nonsense, non plastic and AFFORDABLE basic bike. And affordability also equals less insurance... I am a cheap punt but would gladly spring for one of these.
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:58 PM   #67
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That W400 ilooks great!
It makes more sense to bring em over to these shores now than ever. The other alternatives for newbs to get into bikes are what, Ninja 250's, a couple of Hyosungs, and Royal Enfields.
And forget newbs to biking, how about people fed up with bigger is better or stuffed to the tits with electrics. I think there are enough people who want a no nonsense, non plastic and AFFORDABLE basic bike. And affordability also equals less insurance... I am a cheap punt but would gladly spring for one of these.
They don't sell.
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:58 PM   #68
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Statistics say otherwise.

They'll be mandatory soon, so this discussion is moot.
Mandatory... Damn all in the name of safety.... Hmmm perhaps not getting on a bike at all is the safest of safe
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Old 08-28-2010, 01:00 PM   #69
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They don't sell.
Pricepoint.... Royal Enfield owns that whole arena.. That C5 they have are selling quite well. I think up here they'd sell - as Honda has a best seller in the CBR125.... All about pricepoint.
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Old 08-28-2010, 01:02 PM   #70
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if it makes us soil i'll buy one!
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Old 08-28-2010, 01:02 PM   #71
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Mandatory... Damn all in the name of safety.... Hmmm perhaps not getting on a bike at all is the safest of safe
That would be a reasonable expectation with the onset of universal health care. It starts by limiting horsepower like they currently do in France...
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Old 08-28-2010, 01:05 PM   #72
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That would be a reasonable expectation with the onset of universal health care. It starts by limiting horsepower like they currently do in France...
I think we are all walking down that lane... It's sad really.
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Old 08-28-2010, 01:54 PM   #73
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We get it gelandrestrasse, your whole life revolves around ABS on a bike.
I won't say ABS is a bad thing, but many here have ridden all their lives without ABS and are here to tell us about it.
In wet weather as you may have in your area, there is no doubt ABS is an asset.

The car comparison on E starting has a point.
If you drive it/ride it regularly, maintain it, its gonna start.
If it sits in the back of your garage a lot you may need a kicker or battery tender.
The only reason any of my bikes ever has not started was due to sitting without the battery being kept up.
Which has happened.

For the most part retros are done ok.
As this thread shows, you can't please everybody.

Oh, you have to love the counter balancer.
Makes old shakers viable in a retro...
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Old 08-28-2010, 02:21 PM   #74
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Oh, you have to love the counter balancer.
Makes old shakers viable in a retro...
x2, swapped bikes with a buddy, a 72 BSA 650 Lightning - it was fun , but I thought "No way that I could tour on something like this like I do on my Bonnie" (And this BSA actually had ABS, lol! )

As for ABS , Havent ridden bikes with it, but I see that it can save my ass...
(And gelandestrasse, we get your point- can we discuss the bike now...?)
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Old 08-28-2010, 02:21 PM   #75
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We get it gelandrestrasse, your whole life revolves around ABS on a bike.
No, you don't get it. That's why you resort to ad-hominems like this post and slurs like "mid-lifers."
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