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Old 08-29-2010, 04:08 PM   #91
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ya know you can talk all day about practicing for that oh shit moment, but in the reality of it happening you're squeezing the brakes as hard as you can for the fear of death.
Ya know you can talk all day because in the end, its just talk. The idea of ABS on a basic model like this, seems a bit ridiculous. I guess I still like riding motorcycles that are motorcycles, not as close to cars as possible.
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Old 08-29-2010, 06:59 PM   #92
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Old 08-30-2010, 08:48 AM   #93
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I think the W800 is very interesting, and I would love to see it on the showroom floor - but, if you are really interested in a bike like this, your Triumph dealer has them now. And for a pretty reasonable price. Why would you pass on a Bonneville and buy the W800 instead? Also what's up with the rear turn signals, mounted beside the seat like that? If you want to put some soft luggage on it, you will need a relocator kit for the turn signals.
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:00 AM   #94
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I think the W800 is very interesting, and I would love to see it on the showroom floor - but, if you are really interested in a bike like this, your Triumph dealer has them now. And for a pretty reasonable price. Why would you pass on a Bonneville and buy the W800 instead? Also what's up with the rear turn signals, mounted beside the seat like that? If you want to put some soft luggage on it, you will need a relocator kit for the turn signals.
Because the W800 motor looks far better than the drab looking lump Triumph uses, which looks like it was designed in East Germany in the '70s. Not to mention the exhaust pipes with the goofy looking rise right before the mufflers.


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Also what's up with the rear turn signals, mounted beside the seat like that? If you want to put some soft luggage on it, you will need a relocator kit for the turn signals.
It looks good for the majority who won't use soft luggage, and for those who will, the relocator kit will be a whopping $30 or so....
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:08 AM   #95
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Why would you pass on a Bonneville and buy the W800 instead?

why not?
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:36 AM   #96
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If the bike's less expensive, lighter and as reliable as the Triumph I'd definately be interested. Add to the mix the fact that I can walk to my nearest Kawasaki dealer and it's a fairly easy decision. I also think the Kwack looks better than the current Bonneville. I'll definately be getting a testride when it arrives. Couldn't care less what the badge on the tanks says, providing the bike is right.
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Old 08-30-2010, 01:19 PM   #97
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Knobbies, a bash plate and a chrome rear rack would make it a great bike for cruising powerlines and around town. I love the Triumph Scrambler and it sounds amazing with Arrow pipes but it's not exactly overly powerful when you have to dice with 85mph traffic on I495.
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Old 08-30-2010, 02:51 PM   #98
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Because the W800 motor looks far better than the drab looking lump Triumph uses, which looks like it was designed in East Germany in the '70s. Not to mention the exhaust pipes with the goofy looking rise right before the mufflers.
I don't know about "far better", but that's subjective anyway.

Only the T-100 has the pipes like that now. Bonneville, Bonneville SE and Thruxton pipes are straight upswept reverse megaphones. Yes, the Bonnie and SE have 17" cast wheels. I like them, no worries about fixing a flat on a tubed tire.

Yes it's silly and shallow - but I wanted a Triumph Bonneville - not a Kawasaki Bonneville

That said - the W800 (and the 650/400) are very nice bikes.
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:27 PM   #99
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I don't know about "far better", but that's subjective anyway.

Only the T-100 has the pipes like that now. Bonneville, Bonneville SE and Thruxton pipes are straight upswept reverse megaphones. Yes, the Bonnie and SE have 17" cast wheels. I like them, no worries about fixing a flat on a tubed tire.

Yes it's silly and shallow - but I wanted a Triumph Bonneville - not a Kawasaki Bonneville

That said - the W800 (and the 650/400) are very nice bikes.
All I can say is Kawasaki never made a "Bonneville" clone. The motor in the W looks nothing like what Triumph used.

And the overall look of the British parallel twin doesn't belong to Triumph alone. BSA, Norton as well as non-UK manufacturers were churning out similar looking bikes in the '50s and '60s. Check out this 1955 German Horax.



In any case the Hinckley Triumph has nothing in common with the Coventry Triumphs of old other than the fact that John Bloor bought the name so in a sense they could be called knockoffs....
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:28 PM   #100
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Because the W800 motor looks far better than the drab looking lump Triumph uses, which looks like it was designed in East Germany in the '70s. Not to mention the exhaust pipes with the goofy looking rise right before the mufflers.




It looks good for the majority who won't use soft luggage, and for those who will, the relocator kit will be a whopping $30 or so....
In YOUR opinion the Triumph motor is not as attractive as the W800 motor. Fair enough, that's a good reason to prefer the W800 - but it's your opinion, not necessarily fact. Chances are good most owners are going to change out the exhaust on either bike (I know I would!) so I don't worry about the kink pipes. And I would be greatly surprised if you could get the relocator kit for $30. Perhaps you meant $130? And then it will look like it's got a relocator kit on it.
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:33 PM   #101
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All I can say is Kawasaki never made a "Bonneville" knockoff. The motor in the W looks nothing like what Triumph used.

And the overall look of the British parallel twin doesn't belong to Triumph alone. BSA, Norton as well as non-UK manufacturers were churning out similar looking bikes in the '50s and '60s.

And finally, the Hinckley Triumph has nothing in common with the Coventry Triumphs of old other than the fact that John Bloor bought the name so in a sense they could be called knockoffs....
Do you think Kawasaki would be building the W800 if Triumph wasn't already in the market with their retro twins?
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:49 PM   #102
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Do you think Kawasaki would be building the W800 if Triumph wasn't already in the market with their retro twins?
Definitely, Kawasaki's roots with that design go back about 45 years, when it started building the W1, and even longer if you count Meguro, a mfg that Kawasaki bought up. The W is a nod to the W1, which was hugely popular in Japan.

Kawasaki only stopped building the W650 in '08 because it couldn't meet the latest emissions regs, not because it wasn't selling. Given how much EPA regs stifle performance, Kawasaki didn't have much choice but to bump the motor up to 800cc.
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I didn't really mean theat the modern W-models are "clones" of Bonneville, but the basic styling cues are similar. They are in the same "retro bike" class.
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Old 08-30-2010, 04:30 PM   #104
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I didn't really mean theat the modern W-models are "clones" of Bonneville, but the basic styling cues are similar. They are in the same "retro bike" class.
One thing's for sure, they're all fun to ride.
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Old 08-30-2010, 04:45 PM   #105
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