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Old 03-04-2013, 02:52 PM   #1816
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Gawd, I love this thread. Very, very nice work.
Thanks, man! It's fun breaking stuff.
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:31 PM   #1817
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You know Kirk,

In my experience and travels most EMS Agencies talk about equipment being "Paramedic Proof".

Basically, the EMS Theorem States that the more a company claims a product to be "unbreakable" the quicker two EMS workers can render it useless.

As an experienced Paramedic, well schooled in the EMS Theorem, I would gladly Volunteer as a tester.

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PS - My Supervisor can provide a copy of my personnel file that documents the shit I've broken inadvertently that vendors claimed to be Indestructible.
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:40 PM   #1818
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...and we're off to powder once again. Yay!
Can't wait to see what these look like powder coated.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:17 PM   #1819
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Can't wait to see what these look like powder coated.
You and me both! We both have a horse in this race.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:21 PM   #1820
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You know Kirk,

In my experience and travels most EMS Agencies talk about equipment being "Paramedic Proof".

Basically, the EMS Theorem States that the more a company claims a product to be "unbreakable" the quicker two EMS workers can render it useless.

As an experienced Paramedic, well schooled in the EMS Theorem, I would gladly Volunteer as a tester.

C.

PS - My Supervisor can provide a copy of my personnel file that documents the shit I've broken inadvertently that vendors claimed to be Indestructible.
Oh no.... nope, I never said indestructable. Just didn't think washers were needed - and wanted to break something to see! Still curious about not breaking on the static test, though. I won't sleep worth a darn tonight.

...roaming the driveway in my BVDs. Not a pretty sight.




Yeah, us guys can break anything "unbreakable"
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:13 PM   #1821
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Did I miss it? Are those SS rivets or aluminum?

If the latter, it might be interesting to test the former... Just because you enjoyed it.

EDIT: Re-read it and see they are aluminum rivets.
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:35 PM   #1822
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Hey Kirk,
What stops these lids from doing this action when closed?

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Old 03-04-2013, 07:55 PM   #1823
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I'm amazed at the load the pop rivets held. I got rid of the ones on the latches on my KLR boxes when I put them back together after powder coating. I replaced them with some small screws and nylock nuts.

I put my footman loops on both my Jesse's and the KLR boxes with screws, washers, and nylock nuts. I put a circle of black RTB around each screw before tightening. Never had a leak.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:01 PM   #1824
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...roaming the driveway in my BVDs. Not a pretty sight.
I'm just jealous that its warm enough to roam the driveway in your BVDs. Pretty sight nor not!
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:10 PM   #1825
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Hey Kirk, If you need a stress tester look no further. I can tear stuff up...er...I mean test stuff with the best of em!

I also sent you a PM...
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:21 PM   #1826
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Hey Kirk,
What stops these lids from doing this action when closed?

It might be hard to visualize, but once you put a latch on the other side the lids won't lift because the latch prevents the top from levering away from the pivot point with friction.

Personally I would add a slight notch on the upper part of the slide groove to ensure it, but it is probably not necessary.

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Old 03-04-2013, 10:44 PM   #1827
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Hi kirkster and H14

kirkster I see your building a set of your panniers and racks for H14's wee, that started me reading your entire thread, you certainly have a gift. H14 can't wait to see the panniers after they come out of powder coating and are mounted, don't you think a DR650 would look sweet with a set of these too?

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Old 03-05-2013, 12:37 AM   #1828
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Well you certainly tested the rivets out.
Dont read this as criticism because it's not,just an observation I do a lot of riveting for work,I never rivet anything for myself unless it's as a clamp waiting for sealant to go off.
Rivets are a great quick fastener and can be strong but especially on a bike,vibration will kill them over time as the rivets starts to rattle inside that little hole,the washers would help but in the end they will wear.
Throw in side loads,constant vibration and the inevitable over tightening/overloading on those loops and you will get failure eventually.Probably take a year or 2 though depending on miles travelled and how hard they are used.
Having said that any owner with half a brain will take note when those loops start having a little movement and will replace them with a nut and bolt or whatever else they find.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:19 AM   #1829
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Did I miss it? Are those SS rivets or aluminum?

If the latter, it might be interesting to test the former... Just because you enjoyed it.

EDIT: Re-read it and see they are aluminum rivets.
I was doing some research last night, and my load values were right on track with what I was seeing.

The same size stainless rivets have 2 to 3x the shear/static load rating.

I also read where the stainless rivets will destroy your hands and manual rivet gun in short order.

So....I will use the 1,000 or so al. rivets I bought, save up for a quality pneumatic rivet gun (not cheap) and source some SS rivets. Upgrade, upgrade.

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Old 03-05-2013, 03:21 AM   #1830
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Hey Kirk,
What stops these lids from doing this action when closed?

Once back from powder, I will install traditional draw latches on each hinge side. I'm going with the big blues! I like 'em! Plus, they match the KLR.
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