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Old 04-06-2013, 02:30 PM   #421
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Yeah, I worked through much more wood than I have in years. We bought a hydraulic splitter last fall though and have a decent sized logging project in preparation for our carriage house build.
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Old 04-07-2013, 01:30 PM   #422
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Even though it's nearly the end of wood heating season I thought I would throw this out. Has anyone used or have any experience with these?

It's essentially a fancy rocket stove. We're thinking of this or something like it for a summer kitchen or even perhaps a main kitchen.
Wow, that's interesting. Wonder how much heat it gives off, and if you just run it all the time.

Sure looks more fashionable than iron/steel.
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Old 04-07-2013, 01:55 PM   #423
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Rocket Stove Mass Heater

What they are and how they work: Rocket Mass Heaters
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Old 11-10-2013, 06:45 AM   #424
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EPA Bans Most Wood-Burning Stoves

I hate to post this for fear of turning this good thread into a political squabble. But I feel this is important news concerning wood burning stoves.

EPA Bans Most Wood-Burning Stoves

"Wood-burning stoves offer warmth and enhance off-grid living options during cold weather months, but the tried-and-true heating devices now are under attack by the Environmental Protection Agency.

The EPA has banned the production and sale of the types of stoves used by about 80 percent of those with such stoves.
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Source HERE

The good news is that it appears that the use of your existing wood stone isnt illegal, unless you live in a place where they already are.
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Old 11-10-2013, 09:09 AM   #425
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I hate to post this for fear of turning this good thread into a political squabble. But I feel this is important news concerning wood burning stoves.

EPA Bans Most Wood-Burning Stoves

"Wood-burning stoves offer warmth and enhance off-grid living options during cold weather months, but the tried-and-true heating devices now are under attack by the Environmental Protection Agency.

The EPA has banned the production and sale of the types of stoves used by about 80 percent of those with such stoves.
...."

Source HERE

The good news is that it appears that the use of your existing wood stone isnt illegal, unless you live in a place where they already are.
I read the linked article as well as some of that article's source material and that headline and intro is quite misleading.
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Old 11-10-2013, 09:13 AM   #426
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I hate to post this for fear of turning this good thread into a political squabble. But I feel this is important news concerning wood burning stoves.

EPA Bans Most Wood-Burning Stoves

"Wood-burning stoves offer warmth and enhance off-grid living options during cold weather months, but the tried-and-true heating devices now are under attack by the Environmental Protection Agency.

The EPA has banned the production and sale of the types of stoves used by about 80 percent of those with such stoves....."

Source HERE

The good news is that it appears that the use of your existing wood stone isnt illegal, unless you live in a place where they already are.
Kinda like the CAFE standards for cars... Manufacturers just have to meet a federal minimum pollution standard.. Looks like the list of approved stoves includes hundreds of models from most of the major manufacturers.

It isn't like the EPA is saying that if you have a stove today, you can't use it.... local regulation in areas where air pollution is a serious problem may go above and beyond federal regulation, but this is just a minimum standard for manufacturers..
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Old 11-10-2013, 09:44 AM   #427
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Reminded me to go pitch another chunk of Oak into the Defiant.

They keep trying to do away with wood, and there's so much of it around here with the beetle kill, we are opening a 10 MW trash-wood fired power plant near us. So my wood stove is a polluter? My three cords? Best I can tell, it's a carbon-neutral fuel at worst.

Fortunately, for us, wood is our primary source of heat and we are long grandfathered. Wood and pellets are our primary heat sources.

That being said, short of CatCons [too much clogging], I think that improved efficiency standards for new stoves is a good idea. I think if you can incorporate clean burn technology so that the lower flue temps don't create creosote issues.
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Old 11-10-2013, 06:00 PM   #428
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Kinda like the CAFE standards for cars... Manufacturers just have to meet a federal minimum pollution standard.. Looks like the list of approved stoves includes hundreds of models from most of the major manufacturers.

It isn't like the EPA is saying that if you have a stove today, you can't use it.... local regulation in areas where air pollution is a serious problem may go above and beyond federal regulation, but this is just a minimum standard for manufacturers..
It's not that big a deal. Cripes, the wood stove I just retired meets the EPA regulations. Get a load of the list of stoves that meet the regulation.

Wood smoke pollution was a real problem in many parts of the country before electricity became widespread. I'm pretty sure the regulation is to ensure we don't return to the bad old days.
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Old 11-10-2013, 06:05 PM   #429
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It's a stove, and it burns wood....ok, pellets. Ihave this pellet stove at the cottage and it blasts the heat all day. I miss the wood stove, but not the mess.
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Old 11-10-2013, 06:08 PM   #430
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Rocket Stove Mass Heater

What they are and how they work: Rocket Mass Heaters
I posted about these many pages ago, one or two winters ago.

Despite the title, most people really aren't looking for anything 'new' in wood heating - they're looking for same-old, same-old with updated designs.
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Old 11-10-2013, 06:27 PM   #431
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I'm replacing a phase I stove with a newer phase II but it is the same stove (Pacific Energy Super 27). Federal tax break plus Idaho tax breaks make it a no miss proposition. My old one is 25 years old which is about end of life.

Can't go wrong.
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Old 11-13-2013, 07:12 AM   #432
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North Florida this morning, 13 November 13:



Vermont Castings Vigilant Parlor Stove... 30 years new, a small fire to chase the morning chill.
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:06 PM   #433
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Vermont Castings Vigilant Parlor Stove (wood burning model #0039) circa 1983... a little stove black and it looks brand new. Airtight, pre-EPA, thermostat for heat control, still available as a coal burning (Vigilant II) model #2310. If only the new chimney would last as long as the stove.



Less than two cords of seasoned oak per winter in North Florida, primary heat source.



Winter? of 2012/2013 in North Florida... half cord is plenty.
Phil I'm jealous, Ive been splitting wood with the maul for 3 days!
only one more truckload to go....
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:52 PM   #434
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Phil I'm jealous, Ive been splitting wood with the maul for 3 days!
only one more truckload to go....
North FL? You guys are going through that much wood? Seriously, how is that possible? My former in-laws live in JAX, and it froze maybe a couple of times a year, but then in a day or two it's 70 again.
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Old 11-14-2013, 05:14 AM   #435
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North Florida this morning, 13 November 13:



Vermont Castings Vigilant Parlor Stove... 30 years new, a small fire to chase the morning chill.
That is the model of stove I grew up with... minus the windows...

Damn I don't miss that thing... freezing cold in the AM... blast furnace at night...

It did have a clever mechanical thermostatic air damper mechanism on the back though...

It would gradually open the damper as the stoved cooled to keep the fire going...

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