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Old 10-30-2010, 09:18 AM   #16
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I didn't realize the phones were that good yet. No reception issues or anything? That is pretty cool. It won't be too long before they replace the GPS unit all together I guess.
No GPS reception issues, so if you carry the right maps on board you can always nav with it. Cell service, of course, is another issue. Using it as a SPOT sender it must have cell, but that will run in the background and auto send when you have service.

Overlayed track logs of that center run of the TAT showed no discernible difference between the 60CSx and the iPhone. Spot transfers, it looks like it got about 90% of the route.
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Old 10-30-2010, 10:22 AM   #17
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I would be all over this solution if I could load my Garmin maps on the device (there are just so many good, free maps out there to leave behind). If I ever get a Droid phone, I will write the software to load Garmin maps on to it. I'm ornery when it comes to iPhones (like someone I know who is ornery when it comes to limiting project scope ).

Thanks for the info. It seems a smart phone and weather resistant trail style GPS is more than enough for the job at hand.
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Old 10-30-2010, 11:26 AM   #18
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This is absolutely wrong. iPhone has apps which use downloadable maps, Navigon is one, Tom Tom another. No 3G coverage needed. How long is this crap going to be repeated. If you don't know , don't make it up. Sorry for rant, but this has been available for a LONG time.
Well of course you can throw money at a problem. I was referring to the standard maps found on the iPhone (Google maps). The fact of the matter is that they are dependent on the internet connection. I'm a strong believer that if I pay 500 or 600 bucks for a phone I shouldn't spend any more money on it to perform basic functionality that others do for free.

Also what happens to your $60 maps if you make your way to Mexico or further down south ... you have to keep buying more maps ?
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Old 10-30-2010, 11:29 AM   #19
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I would be all over this solution if I could load my Garmin maps on the device (there are just so many good, free maps out there to leave behind). If I ever get a Droid phone, I will write the software to load Garmin maps on to it. I'm ornery when it comes to iPhones (like someone I know who is ornery when it comes to limiting project scope ).

Thanks for the info. It seems a smart phone and weather resistant trail style GPS is more than enough for the job at hand.
The beauty, albeit limited in all of this, is the gpx file. There are iPhone apps that will accept that cross platform format. I would assume that the other phones do likewise. Is there a crafty way to cross platform maps? I mean that in both the figurative and literal sense by the way. That is the demon that parts the water, to share on any platform takes you back to the gpx, or does it?

I'm working on a much less ornery post in that ornery thread as we speak. In scale, I can get more on the phone than I can either of my Garmin GPSs via gpx. But, it is laborious to do. Some of the other GPS units will take an incredible amount more. Lowest common denominator? That is a point that I always keep in mind.

Have a look in a few. I promise not to take a drink of the hard stuff, today.
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Old 10-30-2010, 11:47 AM   #20
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The vibes on my bike would constantly have it rotating between landscape and portrait mode at certain RPMs**
Even with the rotation lock on?
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Old 10-30-2010, 12:41 PM   #21
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Even with the rotation lock on?
It will keep ii in place with rotation lock yes. But restrict you from using landscape option.

On the "inorotate" application it gives you a few seconds to rotate to portrait or landscape after you open up the application and THEN it locks it down which is kind of nice if you prefer a landscape view for the nav.

Also it allows you to specify which programs you want to lock down and which you want to allow to remain landscape/portrait capable. BUT it only allows you to do that to the following programs:

ipod
sms/mms
mail
safari
notes
contacts

all the other apps on the phone are a blanket restriction (like the included option on iOS4)

But yes, thank you for bringing that up, the rotation lock does work effectively for eliminating the portrait/landscape flip/flop AND no jailbreak is required.
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Old 10-30-2010, 01:17 PM   #22
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Well of course you can throw money at a problem. I was referring to the standard maps found on the iPhone (Google maps). The fact of the matter is that they are dependent on the internet connection. I'm a strong believer that if I pay 500 or 600 bucks for a phone I shouldn't spend any more money on it to perform basic functionality that others do for free.

Also what happens to your $60 maps if you make your way to Mexico or further down south ... you have to keep buying more maps ?
The value and capability an iPhone or Android phone brings for the price you pay is FAR BEYOND what a Garmin GPS brings for the same money. Plus it's a developable platform that can be constantly tweaked and upgraded to fit an ever expanding field of uses.

You can download very good terrain maps and decent road maps for free from motionX gps and store them (limited only to storage space on your phone) so you do not need to use a data connection once you are on the road.

The user interface is very easy to use and has limitless options for customization. The downside to motionX gps application is no turn-by-turn guidance option. You need a different application for that such as Navigon/MotionX Drive (much like the terrain maps for a Garmin vs the road maps are a different animal)

Eventually these issue will be worked out as I have been an iPhone user since June2007 and the rate at which development takes place has been rapid. The iPhone application capability is limited by who steps up to develop the platform for an end user. Our depth of use for a GPS is much wider then the average person so we are a hard bunch to please (hence why I was using 3-4 different nav applications on my trip for different situations)

Our problem as "Adventure Riders" is there is not a great solution that address both on/off road and multiple country user that could be driving/riding/walking. Typically a GPS is geared toward a specific end user navigation task.

The major weaknesses for motorcycle users on a ride with the iPhone (or any capacitive touch screen device) is the lack of physical buttons to press with gloves on (this will be addressed in time as there are solutions popping up and I am working on my own) and it's also not weather hardened. I did not experience overheating yet because I have not ridden it in a hot environment with my iPhone.

I did however get caught in some gnarly rain/snow and while stopping at a gas station came up with this funny solution to get me by for the day (and carried extras just in case I got caught in the rain again and did not want to stow my phone)





I do know there are waterproof options out there for the iPhone that have been pioneered by the cycling community... I will check that out and report!
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Old 10-30-2010, 03:07 PM   #23
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The value and capability an iPhone or Android phone brings for the price you pay is FAR BEYOND what a Garmin GPS brings for the same money. Plus it's a developable platform that can be constantly tweaked and upgraded to fit an ever expanding field of uses.

You can download very good terrain maps and decent road maps for free from motionX gps and store them (limited only to storage space on your phone) so you do not need to use a data connection once you are on the road.

The user interface is very easy to use and has limitless options for customization. The downside to motionX gps application is no turn-by-turn guidance option. You need a different application for that such as Navigon/MotionX Drive (much like the terrain maps for a Garmin vs the road maps are a different animal)

Eventually these issue will be worked out as I have been an iPhone user since June2007 and the rate at which development takes place has been rapid. The iPhone application capability is limited by who steps up to develop the platform for an end user. Our depth of use for a GPS is much wider then the average person so we are a hard bunch to please (hence why I was using 3-4 different nav applications on my trip for different situations)

Our problem as "Adventure Riders" is there is not a great solution that address both on/off road and multiple country user that could be driving/riding/walking. Typically a GPS is geared toward a specific end user navigation task.

The major weaknesses for motorcycle users on a ride with the iPhone (or any capacitive touch screen device) is the lack of physical buttons to press with gloves on (this will be addressed in time as there are solutions popping up and I am working on my own) and it's also not weather hardened. I did not experience overheating yet because I have not ridden it in a hot environment with my iPhone.

I did however get caught in some gnarly rain/snow and while stopping at a gas station came up with this funny solution to get me by for the day (and carried extras just in case I got caught in the rain again and did not want to stow my phone)





I do know there are waterproof options out there for the iPhone that have been pioneered by the cycling community... I will check that out and report!
rmcc - thanks very much for that. This noobee learn't a lt from that.
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Old 10-30-2010, 04:52 PM   #24
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RAM mount modified to cool iPhone

Here is a link to a previous post showing mods I did to my Ram AquaBox to keep my iPhone cool and dry. Still can't touch the screen and glare can be a problem.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=54

It did stay dry and cool after a 110F run across Georgia ending with a torrential rain.
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Old 10-30-2010, 05:43 PM   #25
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Well of course you can throw money at a problem.
If my premonition is correct, I lived through this same thread roughly a year ago.

First, 5-6 hundred is a bit of an exaggeration isn't it, more like 2-3? Also, 60 on the software is an exaggeration isn't it, more like 15-20?

The contract and monthly bill is NOT an exaggeration. You pay to play, but that includes a ton of things beyond this thread.

Buy a Nuvi and suffer the pain.
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Old 10-31-2010, 07:00 AM   #26
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Buy a Nuvi and suffer the pain.
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Old 11-01-2010, 12:54 PM   #27
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But yes, thank you for bringing that up, the rotation lock does work effectively for eliminating the portrait/landscape flip/flop AND no jailbreak is required.
Where is the auto-rotate lock? I have ios4 on my 3GS iphone and could not find it in Settings. I have been looking for this feature, esp. for the Navigon app. Help!
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Old 11-03-2010, 07:37 PM   #28
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Keep in mind that the iphone limits your apps, and costs alot more.

On a droids back country navagator is 7.99. All the maps are free.

Also with the app glue trail. You can literally take a picture of any map, resize and overlay it to Google maps, and run your gps off of the picture. It works great

I didn't realize you could buy waterproof Touchscreen cases?

Any ways I made one very easily. Your right the touch screen does not work that well with gloves on. But on the flip side we should be riding and not programming while we are riding.


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The value and capability an iPhone or Android phone brings for the price you pay is FAR BEYOND what a Garmin GPS brings for the same money. Plus it's a developable platform that can be constantly tweaked and upgraded to fit an ever expanding field of uses.

You can download very good terrain maps and decent road maps for free from motionX gps and store them (limited only to storage space on your phone) so you do not need to use a data connection once you are on the road.

The user interface is very easy to use and has limitless options for customization. The downside to motionX gps application is no turn-by-turn guidance option. You need a different application for that such as Navigon/MotionX Drive (much like the terrain maps for a Garmin vs the road maps are a different animal)

Eventually these issue will be worked out as I have been an iPhone user since June2007 and the rate at which development takes place has been rapid. The iPhone application capability is limited by who steps up to develop the platform for an end user. Our depth of use for a GPS is much wider then the average person so we are a hard bunch to please (hence why I was using 3-4 different nav applications on my trip for different situations)

Our problem as "Adventure Riders" is there is not a great solution that address both on/off road and multiple country user that could be driving/riding/walking. Typically a GPS is geared toward a specific end user navigation task.

The major weaknesses for motorcycle users on a ride with the iPhone (or any capacitive touch screen device) is the lack of physical buttons to press with gloves on (this will be addressed in time as there are solutions popping up and I am working on my own) and it's also not weather hardened. I did not experience overheating yet because I have not ridden it in a hot environment with my iPhone.

I did however get caught in some gnarly rain/snow and while stopping at a gas station came up with this funny solution to get me by for the day (and carried extras just in case I got caught in the rain again and did not want to stow my phone)





I do know there are waterproof options out there for the iPhone that have been pioneered by the cycling community... I will check that out and report!
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:46 PM   #29
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...The iPhone application capability is limited by who steps up to develop the platform for an end user. Our depth of use for a GPS is much wider then the average person so we are a hard bunch to please (hence why I was using 3-4 different nav applications on my trip for different situations)

Our problem as "Adventure Riders" is there is not a great solution that address both on/off road and multiple country user that could be driving/riding/walking. Typically a GPS is geared toward a specific end user navigation task.


I do know there are waterproof options out there for the iPhone that have been pioneered by the cycling community... I will check that out and report!
RMCC - that was a great writeup comparing apps. Thank you. It really should be stickied somewhere since this same question comes up. And that is an awesome waterproofing case ;-)

To the original poster - it really does depend on how and where you ride. The good thing is that you can get a bucket-full of apps to cover all of these situations for less than the price of many Garmin accessories. Furthermore, you get to choose the package that's right for you, not whatever bundle the GPS maker determines you should have.

As you mentioned, one of the big advantages of the iPhone for me was its ability to be expanded based on content from independent developers (independent from TomTom, Garmin and Navigon, and other physical GPS makers, that is).

I have a hundred ideas for how to use a Garmin device, even integrating it with an iPhone/iPad/iPod touch, but not having an open programming environment pretty much puts an end to that party. TomTom is a little better in that you can hack the machine, but few real consumers do so.

It's funny that the news bits are all about the open/closedness of iPhone vs. Android when, in reality, they both make it WAAAAAAY easier for 3rd software to get to customers than do TomTom or Garmin or, for that matter, the keepers of the java phone generation that came before iPhone/Android.

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The major weaknesses for motorcycle users on a ride with the iPhone (or any capacitive touch screen device) is the lack of physical buttons
That, plus the ruggedness of the iPhone. I'm on a dual sport right now (duh, it's advrider) and expect to go down in the dirt from time to time. I don't think the iPhone will take the impact well, and I don't want to lose both my GPS and phone access if I can avoid it. That's why I usually ride with my GPS up front and my iPhone in a bag/box/pocket.

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The iPhone application capability is limited by who steps up to develop the platform for an end user.
Amen. ;-)

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great thread!

I've been checking out different options for my iPhone as a GPS and this thread covers most of the questions I had.

One more: I've got a powerlet socket + a cigarette lighter adapter which would allow me to use the iPhone car charger as a power source while on the bike. Are there any other options for connecting the phone to, say, the battery? I only have one socket & usually use it for heated gear.
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