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Old 03-05-2013, 05:34 AM   #1426
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Here's a data point for you.



This is my whole camping set-up: hammock WBBB double layer, tree straps and Whoopies, WB Edge tarp, upper (Revelation X) and lower (Leigh) down quilts. This Set-up is good for me down to the 40's. It would compress even a bit more but the compression straps bottomed out.
That is impressive. I quit the hammock and went back to the ground because I spend so much time on the Plains and the lack of trees made finding a good place to hang a real hassle. But seeing your entire kit in a compression bag makes me miss my Skeeter Beater Pro.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:40 PM   #1427
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Ah thanks, do you use them on head end only or foot end too? Looks just like yet another gadget I "need" real bad.

I use them head, foot and middle. My new HG Incubator has sewn in small rings. The don't fit in the dutch hammock clips but they will hook on the loop that the ring is attached to.

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Old 03-08-2013, 04:37 PM   #1428
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Curious to know how many of you 'go both ways' when it comes to hammock vs tent, or are the majority complete converts? Do you base it on specific trips and what you think you'll encounter for places to hang? Or would you go for it if you knew you knew in advance you'd be sleeping in it on the ground some nights.

I'm going to be doing the UTBDR this Sept. There will be some camping near trees, but I'm sure a few nights on the ground.

I bought a HH almost 2 years ago after reading this thread and others and thought it might be a good way to go. I've only set it up once on a trip where I also had a tent. It was more of a compare/contrast type of thing.

I do try to pack light but I do like some of the conveniences of being able to bring all my gear in the tent if I need to (crappy weather, sorting/fixing etc) and I like that room to be able to sit up and move around a bit. So I guess I'm still undecided.

So I guess I'm partly thinking out loud and partly looking for advice from those that have been there.


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Old 03-08-2013, 04:48 PM   #1429
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I started hanging in the early 80s - pretty much full time - when my back started to go.

Since then I've bought two tents. The second one was to replace the first that dry rotted. Between the two of them, in nearly 30 years, they've been used less than 10 times.

I don't even bring a tent with me any more, even if I know I will wind up on the ground a few nights. I'd rather put up with a couple of nights of inconvenience than suffer through many nights of misery.
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:03 PM   #1430
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Curious to know how many of you 'go both ways' when it comes to hammock vs tent, or are the majority complete converts?

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I pack both, when I am on the GS. My full hammock set up easily packs into one pannier and the tent has a dedicated seat bag with a Luxury Lite cot. http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/product/UltraLiteCot/Cot_and_Accessories2/?r=gs&gclid=CJG7ivS37rUCFaUWMgodpmIAUw

On the DR it's one or the other, mostly the hammock gear.

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Old 03-08-2013, 05:07 PM   #1431
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Would like to hear from others as well..

I've done some motorcycle tent camping both solo and with my daughter using a tent. I'm really interested in hammock camping and just bought a new hammock last week on this forum. I just ordered an 11x11 tarp and once I get some better bedding I'll give the hammock thing a go.

I'm hoping for a little lighter and smaller pack, along with being a quicker, dryer setup. And just as important, a good sleep, which I never get in a tent.

After hanging (pun intended) around the hammock forum, I've also found that if you bring a small ground sheet and use a large tarp, one can tent themselves in and be totally private, very similar to a tent.

I got some trees in my back yard and will practice and experiment. Hard to say yet whether I'll get a second hammock for my daughter or go back to tents, if she's with me or not.....
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:12 PM   #1432
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I went to this because I wanted a door set up for bad weather and privacy. Light weight and easy to pitch.............WB Superfly

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I also use a Kelty Noah's 9x9 for summer time "good" weather.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:01 PM   #1433
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Curious to know how many of you 'go both ways' when it comes to hammock vs tent, or are the majority complete converts? Do you base it on specific trips and what you think you'll encounter for places to hang? Or would you go for it if you knew you knew in advance you'd be sleeping in it on the ground some nights.

I'm going to be doing the UTBDR this Sept. There will be some camping near trees, but I'm sure a few nights on the ground.

I bought a HH almost 2 years ago after reading this thread and others and thought it might be a good way to go. I've only set it up once on a trip where I also had a tent. It was more of a compare/contrast type of thing.

I do try to pack light but I do like some of the conveniences of being able to bring all my gear in the tent if I need to (crappy weather, sorting/fixing etc) and I like that room to be able to sit up and move around a bit. So I guess I'm still undecided.

So I guess I'm partly thinking out loud and partly looking for advice from those that have been there.


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I would much rather haing, but I also camp in the real world. So I have not thrown out all my ground camping gear.
When I go to ground has been when I am traveling with a group and it is a social thing to set around the camp fire in the evenings and there is no good haing locations any where close. Or if I go to a rally and tipiclay the camping is in a big pasture or grassy parking lot. Again its about the social gathering in the evenings that I would rather camp close to a group. Sometimes the tent does make it easer when staying in the same place for a few days like at a National rally.

I have also carried both tent and hammock when on the GS but when dual sporting I would much rather haing. Its so much quicker to set up and tear down to get an early start. I carry a large tarp so if the weather is bad I can stay dry and I can also cover the bike or just setting around BSing with other riders.

I am planning a Dual Sport trip this year and will only be taking the hammock, The plan is to stealth camp well off the beaten path and travel light.
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Old 03-09-2013, 08:28 AM   #1434
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Curious to know how many of you 'go both ways' when it comes to hammock vs tent, or are the majority complete converts?
A number of hammock campers get the bug because of physical issues...I am one of those. When both knees went bionic (more titanium in me than your average lightweight backpacker kit) the fun went right out of crawling on those knees. It's a hammock or a motel now. Frankly desert camping just is no fun (wind+sand=no fun) and I have always sought out camp spots with trees (and preferably a stream) anyway. Now it's just a matter of trip planning plus a smidge of inventive thinking will allow you to set up a hammock in most places, even the desert.
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Old 03-09-2013, 08:35 AM   #1435
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I used to be able to sleep anywhere. My camping kit was a tarp and a sleeping bag. Just lay the tarp on the ground and go to bed. Not so much anymore.

I tried a luxury lite cot with several kinds of inflatable air mattresses on it. Always woke up sore. Tried the Hammock and now would rather not sleep in a tent again. Love just putting my feet down and standing up in the morning. No more crawling out of a wet tent.

If you want privacy, get an old man winter tarp or equivalent which has doors and can be pulled almost all the way to the ground.

I love that the 3rd day of waking up in the hammock feels just as good as the 1st. The 3rd day in the tent just sucks.
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Old 03-09-2013, 01:07 PM   #1436
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Curious to know how many of you 'go both ways' when it comes to hammock vs tent, or are the majority complete converts? Do you base it on specific trips and what you think you'll encounter for places to hang? Or would you go for it if you knew you knew in advance you'd be sleeping in it on the ground some nights.

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While setting up the hammock was quicker, finding the "right" spot to make it work well was a chore. Now you have to keep in mind where I am based. We have a tree here in Oklahoma and we are very proud of it.

As for comfort... I am a cold sleeper and find it easier to adjust through the night with a good bag and pad as the hammock and under quilt always seemed a bit more finicky. That said, when you get it right, the hammock (along with an Ambien and two Tylenol) makes for a great night's sleep!
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Old 03-09-2013, 03:07 PM   #1437
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Thanks for all the input, everyone.

I like the simplicity of the setup for sure, and maybe it's just me, but by the time you start adding the bells and whistles that most here are discussing, I don't think I'll find much space or weight savings compare to my tent. I could be wrong, but I'll do a couple test packs to check it out.

re: the physical issues, I'm about to go with an Exped downmat 7 for use either on ground or in the hammock. I'm not 'too' beat up by a night or two on the ground (if it's decent ground) and hoping that the Exped would make that even better. Therefore the physical argument isn't as strong with me......though I'm a big fan of feeling rested and ready to tackle the day.

I still have some more thinking to do I guess.


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Old 03-09-2013, 03:14 PM   #1438
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HH carabiner?

One more quick question....

For those with the HH or similar, there are posts/videos floating around about using carabiners for even quicker set up. I did purchase some at the time I bought the HH and used them in my test hang.

Hennessy claims on their web site that they can't recommend it, though I'm wondering if that's just covering their ass legal talk, or if there is some practical side the wear and tear of the hammock.


Anyone using that method regularly?

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Old 03-09-2013, 04:40 PM   #1439
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One more quick question....

For those with the HH or similar, there are posts/videos floating around about using carabiners for even quicker set up. I did purchase some at the time I bought the HH and used them in my test hang.

Hennessy claims on their web site that they can't recommend it, though I'm wondering if that's just covering their ass legal talk, or if there is some practical side the wear and tear of the hammock.


Anyone using that method regularly?

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i use atlas straps and 2 carabiners each side like you are describing, and on one rig i use rap rings but the carabiners work just as good imo...as shown on the videos...i wouldn't do it any other way. it works great...lots of length and total adjust-ability.
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One more quick question....

For those with the HH or similar, there are posts/videos floating around about using carabiners for even quicker set up. I did purchase some at the time I bought the HH and used them in my test hang.

Hennessy claims on their web site that they can't recommend it, though I'm wondering if that's just covering their ass legal talk, or if there is some practical side the wear and tear of the hammock.


Anyone using that method regularly?

C

I use rappel rings with my Hennessy; speeds setup but does add weight, bulk, and cost. As to wear, it's been cussed and discussed over at Hammock Forums. I keep an eye on my ropes and haven't seen any wear or damage, but it sounds like the thinner rope they use on the ultralight hammocks might be more vulnerable.

The rings I use are these from here:

http://www.summithut.com/products/aluminum-rappel-ring/

And these 'biners:

http://www.summithut.com/products/oval-carabiner/

It's a pretty slick setup but really, it doesn't take that long to do it the HH way.

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