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Old 11-04-2010, 03:32 PM   #226
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Kawasaki EX-500's in the US all have carburators. Ditto the 1982 CX-500 Turbo. No electrical power required, and fuel is always available via gravity feed. Bump start; kick start; or magic button.

Many newer motorcycles have fuel injection (i.e. EX-650R) and soon emission regulations will require all bikes to have FI.

FI requires fuel pressure. Whether left over from the last time the bike ran, or via electrical power to the fuel pump. No pressure, no fuel, no bump start; no kick start; no magic button.

Several newer FI dirt bikes can violate this rule, however. They have been called "batteryless FI" on some threads on this site. I'm not sure how they get fuel pressure "to start", perhaps a vacuum assist from a "bump" style start, but once running it's no longer an issue. To my knowledge, however, this is not the case with any street bikes in the world today.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:16 PM   #227
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Kawasaki EX-500's in the US all have carburators. Ditto the 1982 CX-500 Turbo.


Are you sure about that? I distinctly remember FI, and this is borne out by Wikipedia.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:17 PM   #228
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On the off chance that anyone at Honda is paying any attention at all to these comments, I'd like to make sure they take note of my particular angst regarding this new addition.
I am very glad it's not. I dislike the characteristics of V-twins (any and all).
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:44 PM   #229
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Ditto the 1982 CX-500 Turbo.
Um no, sorry. They had EFI.

I owned one for years, put over 80,000 thousand of KM's on it, and tore it apart to component atoms to replace failed stators a few times...

I will post up the proof from my Shop manual I still have when I get home, if you don't believe me.

edit: Oh, and I have 99% of every single motorcycle magazine published during the years 1980 to 1993-ish, including all the Turbo bike tests and comparos of the 80's, as well.

LOL there are a few zillion pics and intimate details of the EFI system to be had, name your magazine

L.B.S. screwed with this post 11-04-2010 at 04:49 PM
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:46 PM   #230
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No, I believe you. My bad.
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:15 PM   #231
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I am very glad it's not. I dislike the characteristics of V-twins (any and all).
you are the true minority when it comes to that!
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:37 PM   #232
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I am really excited to see the cbr 250r, id definatly like to see a head to head review by some magazines against the ninja 250r.

The 250r will be hard to beat, it has some amazing style, great reliability, and there seems to be a good aftermarket now for it. But with the cbr coming out, im sure things will get competitive.

I wonder how the mpg will be, im guessing the cbr will beat the ninja 250 there. I've managed 89 on the ninja riding very conservatively, and id imagine the mpg on the cbr would be 80mpg to start, i could probably get a good 100mpg on it.

I think im more interested in the cbr and ninja 250 mainly for commuting. Perfect bikes for that. For me anyway.
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:26 PM   #233
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No, I believe you. My bad.
No worries

'tho dammit, I already dug out the... and scanned the...

Oh heck.





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Old 11-04-2010, 09:37 PM   #234
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Very cool. Thanks.

The CX-series was under appreciated (by me at least) for many years. My former boss still rides a CX-500 (Silver Wing?). He loves it.
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Old 11-04-2010, 11:01 PM   #235
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I am really excited to see the cbr 250r, id definatly like to see a head to head review by some magazines against the ninja 250r.

The 250r will be hard to beat, it has some amazing style, great reliability, and there seems to be a good aftermarket now for it. But with the cbr coming out, im sure things will get competitive.

I wonder how the mpg will be, im guessing the cbr will beat the ninja 250 there. I've managed 89 on the ninja riding very conservatively, and id imagine the mpg on the cbr would be 80mpg to start, i could probably get a good 100mpg on it.

I think im more interested in the cbr and ninja 250 mainly for commuting. Perfect bikes for that. For me anyway.


Scorch,do you have the new or the older Ninja 250?

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Old 11-05-2010, 06:24 PM   #236
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Scorch,do you have the new or the older Ninja 250?

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I have the new one. most people get crappy mileage on it for some reason, around 60mpg, i have always gotten good mileage.

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Old 11-05-2010, 06:38 PM   #237
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I have the new one. most people get crappy mileage on it for some reason, around 60mpg, i have always gotten good mileage.

most people more than likely keep it pinned quite a bit and redline it through the gears.
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:08 PM   #238
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most people more than likely keep it pinned quite a bit and redline it through the gears.
But, that's part of the fun. Over the years I have had several slow cars: a Ford escort, a Chevette, and a Suzuki Samurai. They all were treated as if they had two stage throttles (until, and if ever, I got up to speed). It was simple, full on or off.

That is a kind of weird fun one can not have with an abundance of power. With enough power, somthig will give first. The tires will lose traction; or, the police will get involved. With lightweight toys it is full-throttle. . . shift. . . full-throttle. . . shift into top gear and wait for a reason to downshift, then . . . repeat!
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:31 AM   #239
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here is a nice video on the cbr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqc-F...eature=related

and there are already some forums up for it
http://www.hondacbr250.com/showthread.php?t=32
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Old 11-07-2010, 09:26 AM   #240
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here is a nice video on the cbr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqc-F...eature=related

and there are already some forums up for it
http://www.hondacbr250.com/showthread.php?t=32
I hate 100% of the videos that motorcycle manufacturers release. So cheesy, so overedited.
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