Honda CBR250R.

[Grainbelt]

Originally Posted by Southerner

True. Maintenance costs are the killer on bikes. You can replace all 4 corners on a car for the same or less than a bike and get much better rubber life.

If you have a tire changer you can buy cheap shitty rubber for a bike, too.

[Navin]

Originally Posted by DevilNinjaDog

Holy freaking crap I had no idea the CBR600 was that expensive. That's insane.

Well, like you said "would I buy an $8000 250? Unlikely. For another $2k I could buy a Ducati Monster or Hypermotard."

Exactly my point, though I guess it wasn't supported with the CBR example...

And anyone I steer towards a 250 "sporty" bike is told to check the classifieds, there is no shortage of under 1k mile 08 EX250s for at or less than $2k. Hondas competition is not just new EX250s but decades of used ones that are low mile/good cond for under 30% the price. I see you are a bunch of titewads, , which will you buy, a new $4,000 CBR250 or a year old 700 mile example for $2500?

$8000 250, if it was a real gem? Like a V2, I3 or I4 that had 125 or 250 GP dimensions? Don't think of a 250-400 engine like we are now able to get. Think about silky smooth, vibe free near 20,000 RPM bikes that can cut under a 600 SS bike at will. Sorry Honda, I know you did alot of work here but a 25 HP 250 is hardly breaking new ground, even if it is $4k.

[twinrider]

25hp versus the 50hp 250s that Japanese makers were selling 22 years ago

[Navin]

Those would never sell here!!!

Imagine that bike with +20 years of development, a sumoto and sportbike version today! Pass the premix!!!

[twinrider]

It was even automix way back when....

[Navin]

My 76 RD400 was too!

[Terrytori]

Originally Posted by DevilNinjaDog

Well, like you said "would I buy an $8000 250? Unlikely. For another $2k I could buy a Ducati Monster or Hypermotard."

Canadian Price on a Yamaha WR 250 X is $8599.00
Having spent considerable time on one, yeah... i would.
I am however awaiting the new 250 Duke.
Yeah baby.

[Grainbelt]

Originally Posted by Navin

which will you buy, a new $4,000 CBR250 or a year old 700 mile example for $2500?

Easy.

The one with ABS.

[Navin]

Ah geez! I forgot, there may be sand somewhere someday! The EX brakes are so spongy from the crap lines and low end calipers its like havin ABS anyway! Honda probably just adds air to the fluid & ups the $!

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Navin

...which will you buy, a new $4,000 CBR250 or a year old 700 mile example for $2500?

New, fuel injection, ABS, single cylinder, don't need to remove the cam to change the shims, Honda quality...easily worth the difference.

[JohninVT]

Explain to me how a top spec. 250cc bike would cost less than a 600cc supersport. It can't. If the suspension is the same, the frame is the same AND the manufacturer has to design a clean sheet inline engine and homologate it, how can that cost LESS than a 600? You're not making any sense. The top spec. 250 would cost just as much or more than a cutting edge 600. It would not be 7 thousand or 8 thousand. It would be 11 or 12 thousand.

It's not a supermoto. It's not an MX bike. It's not a 12 thousand dollar KTM.

There is no race series to support high spec. 250cc machines in the US. There is no large, pent up demand for highly strung, small displacement machines.

I'd loved a brand new, 2011 VFR400 with Ohlins and 80hp but it would weigh 400lbs and cost as much or more than a VFR800.

[Navin]

Read it again, will you buy a new CBR250 or a used CBR250 for a few K less? It'll still have all those nifty features with the 700 miles its likely to get on it from the first buyers girlfriend.

Now, if you mean the old EX250, the valves are screw adjusters.

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/What_is...t_procedure%3F

I just saved you MORE $! Get a pre 08!

[JohninVT]

Originally Posted by Crow

New, fuel injection, ABS, single cylinder, don't need to remove the cam to change the shims, Honda quality...easily worth the difference.

Not to mention the fact most people finance their bikes. If you have to go through the hassle anyway, why not buy a new one with a two year warranty? Especially since it will be easier to obtain financing through a dealer or even from a bank for a new Honda.

[Navin]

Originally Posted by JohninVT

Explain to me how a top spec. 250cc bike would cost less than a 600cc supersport. It can't. If the suspension is the same, the frame is the same AND the manufacturer has to design a clean sheet inline engine and homologate it, how can that cost LESS than a 600? You're not making any sense. The top spec. 250 would cost just as much or more than a cutting edge 600. It would not be 7 thousand or 8 thousand. It would be 11 or 12 thousand.

It's not a supermoto. It's not an MX bike. It's not a 12 thousand dollar KTM.

There is no race series to support high spec. 250cc machines in the US. There is no large, pent up demand for highly strung, small displacement machines.

I'd loved a brand new, 2011 VFR400 with Ohlins and 80hp but it would weigh 400lbs and cost as much or more than a VFR800.

Honda still builds the Vtwin 250 and Suzuki has a lovely 400cc I4 already in production for home market. Either one coulda been upgraded to better spec and brought here for less effort than they went thru to build the CBR. Would you find much to protest if this bike was really a VTR250 with some adjustable suspension bits from a decade old 600? Would a new base VTR250 option (read cheaper)be less newb friendly?

You doubt a current EX250 series wouldn't be far more interesting if a 2011 VTR250RR could be included?

[LuciferMutt]

Originally Posted by Navin

$8000 250, if it was a real gem? Like a V2, I3 or I4 that had 125 or 250 GP dimensions? Don't think of a 250-400 engine like we are now able to get. Think about silky smooth, vibe free near 20,000 RPM bikes that can cut under a 600 SS bike at will. Sorry Honda, I know you did alot of work here but a 25 HP 250 is hardly breaking new ground, even if it is $4k.