New Honda 1200 V4 CrossTourer!!!

[cug]

Originally Posted by markjenn

It is also a perfectly valid requirement to ride around with the bags locked. Neither side of this has the moral high ground to insist their way is correct/right and the other way is dumb/wrong. Design tradeoff.

You are missing the point. If you can't get the key out without locking or can't open / close the case without a key, you don't give the group that wants this an option to do so. Therefore the criticism is totally valid and from their (and my) point of view it's super stupid. Absolutely valid opinion.

You on the other hand say that people should not be allowed to drive around with closed but unlocked cases, because they actually COULD leave the cases open inadvertently. My opinion on that is "So what? They will learn." You opinion is that because there are people that might make mistakes, there should be regulation. Hey, normally I am the one with a "German regulation" approach to things ...

It's kind of controversial to request "freedom to do what you want" (I'm assuming that's your opinion, I might be wrong), and on the other hand saying that something like this should be regulated. Or at least telling the people that want this feature and find it stupid that it isn't provided that they don't have a valid opinion finding this stupid.

From my perspective: I don't make a fuzz about it, but I don't like regulations for absolutely non-essential, in my opinion often stupid things. I don't like that a manufacturer makes the decision for me whether I ride with the bag locked or unlocked. I'd rather prefer if we (in the US) get more regulation about who is allowed to drive on the road than regulating trivia like this.

[markjenn]

Originally Posted by cug

You are missing the point. If you can't get the key out without locking or can't open / close the case without a key, you don't give the group that wants this an option to do so. Therefore the criticism is totally valid and from their (and my) point of view it's super stupid. Absolutely valid opinion.

We're at the point of diminishing returns on this. The OP said he didn't understand why the mfgs would do such a dumb design. I simply was pointing out that there was a valid technical reason, not saying it was the right decision.

Enough.

- Mark

[L.B.S.]

Originally Posted by markjenn

I must be missing something. I had an FJR for six years and a BMW R1100S for a decade, both with OEM luggage; I don't recall a way to open/close the bags without using the key. Same with my current S10.

And AFAIK, this is the design tradeoff most of the OEM mfg-designed luggage is tending to, so you're complaint really isn't specific to the Crosstourer.

- Mark

Just as an aside observation; my 2009 BMW F800ST with OEM luggage allows the use of the bags unlocked open/close and riding.

I'm really happy to have the choice, and I frequently use this ability.

[RedRocket]

Originally Posted by L.B.S.

Just as an aside observation; my 2009 BMW F800ST with OEM luggage allows the use of the bags unlocked open/close and riding.

I'm really happy to have the choice, and I frequently use this ability.

So did I on my OEM VFR top box.

[Two Plugs]

Funny discussion - but I really can't understand the problem. Wanna have the 'I wanna ride with unlocked panniers' option? Buy aftermarked. Which saves money too.

I have that option on my H&B Alu Standard panniers. But I always lock them whillst riding.
It won't be the first time that panniers are 'opening' during a bumpy ride; scattering the luggage al-over the place.

Don't even start saying "That won't going to happen to me".

[cug]

Originally Posted by Two Plugs

Funny discussion - but I really can't understand the problem. Wanna have the 'I wanna ride with unlocked panniers' option? Buy aftermarked. Which saves money too.

From the aftermarket luggage this is mainly possible with the Aluminum options from Jesse, Touratech, H&B, Micatech. The ones where you actually save money compared to OEM (Givi, Kappa, H&B Plastic, ...) don't have that option. Annoys me quite a bit on my Givi topcase.

[mountainmeterman]

Caribou's have the option. I love mine (on a Strom).

[7seas10]

Come on Honda!!!

Bring it to the US, pleeease!!

[PizzaHog]

Originally Posted by 7seas10

come on honda!!!

Bring it to the us, pleeease!!

+1!

[kpmsprtd]

I doubt that they will listen. I mounted a serious email campaign lobbying for them to let us (U.S.A.) purchase the CB1100F. Granted, Honda email addresses are hidden like buried treasure, so I had to email every government and tourism agency in and around Kumamoto (where the CB1100 and Crosstourer are manufactured). It's two or three years later. I failed.

[bross]

Originally Posted by kpmsprtd

I doubt that they will listen. I mounted a serious email campaign lobbying for them to let us (U.S.A.) purchase the CB1100F. Granted, Honda email addresses are hidden like buried treasure, so I had to email every government and tourism agency in and around Kumamoto (where the CB1100 and Crosstourer are manufactured). It's two or three years later. I failed.

I would have bought one.



Instead we get Cross ad infinitum.

[twinrider]

What Honda should've done with the tank and paint, looks much better. Bike customizer White House's version:

















http://www.whouse.jp/

[Paulvt1]

The CB1100 has been seen on roads in Austria with a raft of data logging stuff on it.

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...013/20906.html

[Carl Down Under]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/mo...for-dirt-roads

[GrahamD]

These motor noters are getting a bit cocky these days, sprouting the truth...

As for BMW's much-hyped Paris-Dakar rally heritage, which is constantly referred to when discussing the GS bikes, a Honda has won the motorcycle class of the rally five times, only one less than the Bavarian-branded bike-maker's tally of six wins.

I'm betting that the wearable components of this shaft-drive system will have a service life far in excess of the 80,000km most BMW R1200GS owners can expect from theirs.

What? Does this guy read or something. Good to see a bit of reality creep in.

Except that bit comparing it to a wing. Maybe a bit too far.