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Old 11-04-2010, 04:42 PM   #151
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I like it! It has a cleaner look than the current crop of GS bikes.

I would like a lighter less pricey (assumption here) version of it though.
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:12 PM   #152
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Is that DR-Z?
Yes, DRZ400SM. The motard version of their dual-sport. Neat bike. I don't know anything about the Honda discussed above, but the DRZ is a nice machine, in either dual-sport or motard trim.

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They were discontinued years ago here. I think about 4 years...
But it is possible to find them second hand. But impressively expensive for second hand bikes.
Interesting. There is good bike you can get in the states, but not in Europe? That's bucking the trend.

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Old 11-05-2010, 02:37 AM   #153
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Looks crap
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:19 AM   #154
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Looks crap
What looks crap?
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:22 AM   #155
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Ah! I see. In fact I do own DR800 Big with seriously upgraded suspension etc. (spent hell lot of time on it). Yes, it is excellent bike - just part of that old team of AT, S10 etc. And I do not plan to sell it :)

Yep pretty much so.
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:50 AM   #156
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What looks crap?
Look at Dibdob's signature... BMW GS... So he is used to crap. I guess that's the explanation...
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Old 11-05-2010, 09:49 AM   #157
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Just received the latest news regarding the Crosstourer and the size of this bike.

A friend of me was invited for the official introduction, so he got a fair impression regarding dimensions of Honda's new traillie.

According to his impressions, BMW looks rather small (the classic non-Adventure version), and Crosstourer appears to be larger than Yamaha S10. It doesn't look small!

And also heavier than BMW of course. We are talking about big V4 liquid-cooled engine, that's a big mass.

Regarding the fuel gauge... FINALLY there will be one.
Why on earth would you want a fuel gauge? They are rarely accurate or trustworthy and I bet after a few fills of not really knowing how much gas you have in the tank you'll revert to the tried and true method of simply resetting your trip meter after each fill. Only takes 2-3 fill ups to determine what your mileage is, then you know how far you can travel on a tank.

Besides, I just replaced the fuel pump on my 2008 Honda CBF. $760 Canadian! Most expensive fuel pump my dealer had ever ordered in. The only thing I can figure for the cost is the CBF has a fuel gauge and the pump comes with the float and electronics for the fuel gauge as a complete unit. Any other fuel pump for a non-gauged Honda was $300-$330.

Talking about the accuracy of fuel gauges. I can ride 300km on the CBF till I'm on 'E', 320-330km and I'm pushing. My gauge sits on Full for the first 200km, then drops to around Half at 250km, then will quickly drop to 'E' anytime after. Haven't looked at the bloody thing in 2 years of riding.
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Old 11-05-2010, 09:56 AM   #158
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Why on earth would you want a fuel gauge? They are rarely accurate or trustworthy and I bet after a few fills of not really knowing how much gas you have in the tank you'll revert to the tried and true method of simply resetting your trip meter after each fill. Only takes 2-3 fill ups to determine what your mileage is, then you know how far you can travel on a tank.

Besides, I just replaced the fuel pump on my 2008 Honda CBF. $760 Canadian! Most expensive fuel pump my dealer had ever ordered in. The only thing I can figure for the cost is the CBF has a fuel gauge and the pump comes with the float and electronics for the fuel gauge as a complete unit. Any other fuel pump for a non-gauged Honda was $300-$330.

Talking about the accuracy of fuel gauges. I can ride 300km on the CBF till I'm on 'E', 320-330km and I'm pushing. My gauge sits on Full for the first 200km, then drops to around Half at 250km, then will quickly drop to 'E' anytime after. Haven't looked at the bloody thing in 2 years of riding.
To each their own. I personally think you're nuts. I'll take a gauge any day. My mileage varies wildly depending upon load and zestiness of riding. Going by the tripmeter would ensure long walks in the middle of nowhere.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:22 AM   #159
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Why on earth would you want a fuel gauge? They are rarely accurate or trustworthy and I bet after a few fills of not really knowing how much gas you have in the tank you'll revert to the tried and true method of simply resetting your trip meter after each fill. Only takes 2-3 fill ups to determine what your mileage is, then you know how far you can travel on a tank.
Agree with you bross. Itīs not a cartank with flat tank at bottom where you see more exactly how much you have left. Warningbulb is much much better.
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Old 11-06-2010, 04:12 AM   #160
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If this bike happens, then 2012 will be interesting. More big SUV beasts than ever. New Tiger 1200, Stelvio, S10..
Touratech will be working flat out..
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Old 11-06-2010, 07:18 AM   #161
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If this bike happens, then 2012 will be interesting. More big SUV beasts than ever. New Tiger 1200, Stelvio, S10..
Touratech will be working flat out..
You right Paul, when manufacturers compete customer always wins !!!
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Old 11-06-2010, 11:44 AM   #162
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Agree with you bross. Itīs not a cartank with flat tank at bottom where you see more exactly how much you have left. Warningbulb is much much better.
Every current bike I've seen with a fuel gage also has a warning light also, so there's no takeaway. And while gages tend to be non-linear in the middle of tank, they work pretty well on the last 1/4 or so in most applications.

Other that cost/complexity, I'm not seeing any downside to a gage. And you can still use a tripmeter if you like.

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Old 11-06-2010, 06:23 PM   #163
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Every current bike I've seen with a fuel gage also has a warning light also, so there's no takeaway. And while gages tend to be non-linear in the middle of tank, they work pretty well on the last 1/4 or so in most applications.

Other that cost/complexity, I'm not seeing any downside to a gage. And you can still use a tripmeter if you like.

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No warning light on my CBF, just a red bar at the "E", so unless you are keeping an eye on the gauge there's no warning. I'd much prefer just a simple low fuel light, like every other FI bike I've owned had. Get's your attention, I then glance at my trip meter and know how far I've got left. This is just one case where I believe in the KISS it principle. Gas gauge in my truck sucks as well, same as the bike, shows full and 3/4 forever, then drops very quickly and I've got gallons left when it says empty. :shrug Maybe that's why I like using trip meters and knowing how far I can go on a tank of gas, cause I've never had a reliable gas gauge. Never ran out of gas on a bike either, until the CBF. In the first few months of ownership and stupidly using the gas gauge.

Great if you like a gauge, me I'll just use the old fashioned trip meter, thanks.
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Old 11-07-2010, 01:09 AM   #164
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No, canīt remembering any warninglights with the gauge on bikes I owned.
On my Varadero, there are 4 litres left when the lights comes, but this is not sure(Iīm on my fourth Vara now)
Vary how much is left, can vary between 3 and 4 litres. New bike and I always take a can with me, ride(holidayspeed) the tank empty and check at the trip how far I get.

Back to track:
few shoots of the Tourer(without blingbling) I took at Milano on tuesday.





















I think itīs a great bike and canīt wait until see it in other colors.


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Old 11-07-2010, 02:30 AM   #165
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Besides, I just replaced the fuel pump on my 2008 Honda CBF. $760 Canadian! Most expensive fuel pump my dealer had ever ordered in. The only thing I can figure for the cost is the CBF has a fuel gauge and the pump comes with the float and electronics for the fuel gauge as a complete unit. Any other fuel pump for a non-gauged Honda was $300-$330.
@ Bross (sorry for going slightly offtopic here)

Why in Earth would you use an official Honda fuelpump, knowing that these will brake down again? I replaced the faulty fuelpump on my MK1 Varadero ages ago with an alternative pump from Quinton Hazel Automotives (QH) which I picked up at a local car spare shop. Costs? 75,- €. Plug & Play. The original (which comes from Mitsubishi by the way...) was over € 200,-!!!

Same goes for Facet pumps which are commonly used by Africa Twin owners.

I can't see the relation between a fuel pump and a fuel gage though and yes, on a long distance tourer which the CT seems to be, I do see the importance of a fuel gage.
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