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Old 11-08-2010, 12:24 PM   #181
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Old 11-08-2010, 02:09 PM   #182
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And what about totally new Suzuki DR BIG with DL 1000 engine? New frame, top suspension, highest fender,..engine that we know....no fancy shmancy electronics, optional ABS,..... spare alloy wheels (with tour. tyres) as a basic equipment....all that packed under 180kg....i think its fair enough....
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Old 11-08-2010, 02:35 PM   #183
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And what about totally new Suzuki DR BIG with DL 1000 engine? New frame, top suspension, highest fender,..engine that we know....no fancy shmancy electronics, optional ABS,..... spare alloy wheels (with tour. tyres) as a basic equipment....all that packed under 180kg....i think its fair enough....
I would not hold my breath. I may be in demand here.........but this is a pretty small and focused group.....they are in business to make money....they have to go to where the market demands.



I predict that the next step in this market will be adjustable height suspension with mag adjustment dampening. Perhaps even air springs.

Now with a big tank acting as a fairing and a big, adjustable screen part of the expected features of a ADV bike I see very little difference between the VFR 1200 and the Crosstourer. Honda sees this too, I guess.

Next step?...........suspension that can be set low and firm with apropriate damping for sport and sport touring duty, but then switchable to plush with 3 extra inches of travel and height/ground clearance.

Now.......how to make knobbies pop out with a flick of a switch?
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Old 11-08-2010, 02:40 PM   #184
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Eh?

but..are the XTZ1200 and Multistrada big sellers? Or 990 ADV beats them?
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Old 11-08-2010, 04:56 PM   #185
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but..are the XTZ1200 and Multistrada big sellers? Or 990 ADV beats them?
S10(xtz1200) has exceded yamaha's sales projections
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:00 PM   #186
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S10(xtz1200) has exceded yamaha's sales projections
Would you happen to have a link for sales stats?
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:03 PM   #187
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i wonder if honda called this a concept (even thought it was the real deal) to gauge reactions & feedback. this way they could let the press' feedback and probably threads like this to help them refine what people expect and to point out what is wrong. if they came out and said this is it and the press ripped it then they'd be stuck with that and the resulting lame sales. since they are also behind the curve the could quickly fix the production bike.
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:08 PM   #188
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Would you happen to have a link for sales stats?
you're not gonna get a hard # that you want as yamaha is not officially talking yet but,
in several of the different s10 threads, people have gotten feedback that yamaha is above projections. now maybe all these people got together and secretly made this up or just maybe the s10 is the japanese adv beast alot have been waiting for all these years. you decide.
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:12 PM   #189
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you are correct in this is a small market and so the mfg are going for the guy who would buy this bike to serve as a sport tourer type of bike but "might" also go down a dirt road. there's lot of buyers in that market. that's why the focus on the big engine, shaft drive drive, abs , wind protection that sport tourers offers. they didn't change the name sport tourer to crosstourer for no reason at all. you get 2 bikes in 1. it's not about creating a hardcore off-road bike.

that's where the 800cc segment is taking off. combine a solid dual-sport and a tourer for those guys. the future is all about multi-purpose bikes.

we're seeing solid dirtbikes and dual-sports combined w/ the wr250r.


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I would not hold my breath. I may be in demand here.........but this is a pretty small and focused group.....they are in business to make money....they have to go to where the market demands.



I predict that the next step in this market will be adjustable height suspension with mag adjustment dampening. Perhaps even air springs.

Now with a big tank acting as a fairing and a big, adjustable screen part of the expected features of a ADV bike I see very little difference between the VFR 1200 and the Crosstourer. Honda sees this too, I guess.

Next step?...........suspension that can be set low and firm with apropriate damping for sport and sport touring duty, but then switchable to plush with 3 extra inches of travel and height/ground clearance.

Now.......how to make knobbies pop out with a flick of a switch?
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:51 PM   #190
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Seems to me the “Crosstourer” is somewhat synonymous with SUV… and suites my needs (wants) well.
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:58 PM   #191
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Seems to me the “Crosstourer” is somewhat synonymous with SUV… and suites my needs (wants) well.
I likey
indeed that is what honda is going after.

honda realize most riders will NOT be going round the world...
more than likely it's many day rides all around the place with maybe a few weekend trips and possibly a once a year week tour. i'm guessing our paved road maps will sell well to the typical crosstourer owner.

considering how many honda fans there are out there plus a varadero-type bike was never avail. in the us, this bike will sell well here.
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Old 11-08-2010, 06:01 PM   #192
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Old 11-08-2010, 10:33 PM   #193
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note how the year old spanish mag photoshop of the alleged vfr-x ended up looking compared to the crosstourer


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Old 11-09-2010, 12:20 AM   #194
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Must.... Buy...... Uhhhhhhhh....... But its gonna cost me.
That's the downside (I recon & agree...)

The VFR1200 (just the standard bike, no goodies) on which engine the CT is based, goes for € 17.000,- here (incl VAT and BPM Luxury tax). I just purchased a brand new car (Skoda Fabia combi Greenline) for € 18.000,- (low emission car so no BPM tax, no road tax) and I really can not see why - any - bike should be that expensive, especially if it has not been fitted with any accessories or gadgets at all.

Note: I still think the VFR is the new standard for any motorcycle manufacturer regarding how a bike should be finished and ergonomics should be worked out in real live. But I simply can't see why this bike should be that expensive - especially without the DSG transmission, heated grips, panniers, cylinder displacement, etc, etc.

But then… 15 years ago I thought the € 8.000,- (17.000,- Dutch Guilders) would be the max I would ever spent on a new motorcycle (in that case a Honda XL600V Transalp). 12 years ago I bought my first Varadero for € 11.250,- (25.000,- Dutch Guilders). Every thing changes, and never say never again…

F.e. take the new S10 (Super Tenere). It is just as expensive to buy as an standard VFR, but in 'first edition' trim it offers a lot more (including a fuel tank which hasn't the size of a peanut like on the VFR!)

I think (just guessing now) that Honda would take their chances and put an 'first edition' CT on the marked as well for an competitive price, including panniers, crash bars, fog lights and some interesting electronical goodies as well. But I'm realistic enough to notice that - looking at the hardware displayed at EICMA - the CT would never be cheaper than f.e. the Yamaha 1200 Super Tenere.

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Old 11-09-2010, 12:49 AM   #195
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I asked a question on the VFR UK site about the new Pan replacement which all the magazines had tipped for a 2011 release. One inmate said the current gossip has the Crosstourer replacing it. Kind of makes sense. No point having 2 expensive bikes vying for custom in the touring sector.
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