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Old 10-04-2011, 11:04 AM   #526
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I am looking forward to this coming out! I have an @ at present and would like a modern enduro too. Didn't want a gs as there are toooooo many about so that looks just the ticket! I saw on some site earlier that Feb 2012 is time for it- any truth in that? Seeing as my @ only just reaches 40mpg I would be looking to this for some euro trekking, and keep the @ for the rough stuff.

Will be pestering the local Honda guys for info!!
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Old 10-06-2011, 07:41 AM   #527
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there are some side pics in the MOTORRAD magazine: http://www.motorradonline.de/de/heft...2011-21/389644
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Old 10-06-2011, 09:22 AM   #528
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Wow!

Looks heavier than a heavy Varadero. Hope not. It looks so sleek from the front!
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Old 10-06-2011, 09:29 AM   #529
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If I can get a high res photo of this bike, it will become my new wallpaper, and the object of my MC lust...
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Old 10-06-2011, 09:48 AM   #530
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Thanks for the photo. Can't see it being any less than 270kgs wet. I guess this will be the halo tourer in the Honda range - if it'll do over 200 miles on a tank.
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:11 AM   #531
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Kudos to Honda, for actually changing / upgrading the test mule's front suspension to usd forks, it wouldn't have been an easy concession to make, for an immensely conservative company and was probably the result of the mc public's negative reaction, to the conventional forks fitted to the first shown prototype.

Yes it'll be a heavy "roadie" adventure tourer, but that's what the majority of them are used for anyways. Hopefully they won't neuter it to the extent Yamaha did with the 1200 Tenere', sorry 90 rwhp doesn't get my juices flowing with new age and up to date big bore highway tourers. What with some of Europe's 100hp limits perhaps still in place and Yamaha's very serious design targets, of a truly off the pavement capable rtw type bike, the lower outputs are forgiveable and perhaps necessary, but this Honda is clearly intended for nothing more than a gravel road and bring on the horsepower !

An interesting bike to be sure, although I'm hoping for the option of a conventional transmission, for it's chances of success in the marketplace.

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Old 10-06-2011, 11:08 AM   #532
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all this talk of a thirsty engine...40 mpg.

If true, Honda strikes me as a bi-polar company as they are putting all this heavy emphasis on ultra fuel-efficiency elsewhere, yet come up way short compared to others in this category.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:49 AM   #533
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What with some of Europe's 100hp limits perhaps still in place and Yamaha's very serious design targets, of a truly off the pavement capable rtw type bike, the lower outputs are forgiveable and perhaps nec
Where do you get your fairytales served ?

Yamaha XT 1200 Z Super Ténéré
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Hubraum 1199 cm³
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Leistung 80,9 kW (110 PS) bei 7250/min
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Old 10-06-2011, 01:11 PM   #534
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I see the XTour aimed squarely at the Duck Multi. Road first - lots of power and lots of tech. The Duck has the suspension, but the Honda will have the trick gearbox. The fly in Honda's ointment will more than likely be the new Tiger. Given Triumph's form of late, there offering will be cheaper, lighter and be lauded by the media.
As for the S10 - most of the guys who have gone down the pipe / decat / PCV route say the bike is utterly transformed into a real monster.
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:56 PM   #535
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What with some of Europe's 100hp limits perhaps still in place and Yamaha's very serious design targets, of a truly off the pavement capable rtw type bike, the lower outputs are forgiveable and perhaps necessary, but this Honda is clearly intended for nothing more than a gravel road and bring on the horsepower !

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I thought those HP limits were future proposals?

I am sure the European manufacturers will get "wink" last minute dispensations.

And as far as the road bias goes, that is what the Europeans want, it seems. The UK Press most definitely.

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Old 10-06-2011, 05:11 PM   #536
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[QUOTE=Rema in Paluda;17015431]Where do you get your fairytales served ?

Usually right from your lips, you flag waving pissant and seemingly in almost every damn thread on advrider !

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Old 10-06-2011, 05:41 PM   #537
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I thought those HP limits were future proposals?

I am sure the European manufacturers will get "wink" last minute dispensations.

And as far as the road bias goes, that is what the Europeans want, it seems. The UK Press most definitely.

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GrahamD while my reflections on mc hp limits, is mostly vague recollections of a Europe past, with restricted models produced by the factories to suit France and Germany, I'm in no way up to date with current or future proposals. The apparently 90 rear wheel horse power on a certified dyno (this is for you know who) 1200 Tenere, is surely a sensible Japanese alternative to the standard 2005-2011 GS1200 platform. I'd choose it myself over a GS for rtw trips including adverse terrain, for it's hopefully bombproof build quality and design parameters.

But for big bore "roadie" adventure tourers, I'd like to see big numbers and without the exotica of desmodromics etc...

So bring it on, Honda and Triumph !

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Old 10-06-2011, 05:51 PM   #538
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GrahamD while my reflections on mc hp limits, is mostly vague recollections of a Europe past, with restricted models produced by the factories to suit France and Germany, I'm in no way up to date with current or future proposals. The apparently 90 rear wheel horse power on a certified dyno (this is for you know who) 1200 Tenere, is surely a sensible Japanese alternative to the standard 2005-2011 GS1200 platform. I'd choose it myself over a GS for rtw trips including adverse terrain, for it's hopefully bombproof build quality and design parameters.

But for big bore "roadie" adventure tourers, I'd like to see big numbers and without the exotica of desmodromics etc...

So bring it on, Honda and Triumph !

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I'm not having a go, I just seem to remember in doing some reading about non switchable ABS that...

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The Commission is expected to propose European-wide consistency on the issue, raising the prospect that countries will have to change in line with France, where a 100bhp limit is already in place
So you may have had a french experiences in your life. So this probably explains the 100HP Maps on the MTS and the fact that the S10 does 100HP as well.

I think with that single sided, shaft drive, Honda will be careful not to over do it.

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Old 10-06-2011, 06:22 PM   #539
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Where do you get your fairytales served ?

Usually right from your lips, you flag waving pissant and seemingly in almost every damn thread on advrider !

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Your quite obsessed with me ehr im ony active in Beasts in about 6 threads...

You are responding at almost all my postings it seems, and talk very funny, the BMW S1000RR has nearly 200 HP, so stop drinking that what you take for cool-aid, because it seems to consist of mostly glycol.

There is no 100 HP limit in Europe, there has been for an incredably long time though a HP based insurance stepping in germany making it extra expensive to insure a bike with more then 100hp, perhaps that is the basis of your fairytale/trawling?

Its a pitty you don't ever post any proof of your puddings...

Could it be possible to talk more shop and less cooladhomonem please?

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Old 10-06-2011, 06:31 PM   #540
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Where do you get your fairytales served ?

Usually right from your lips, you flag waving pissant and seemingly in almost every damn thread on advrider !

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