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Old 11-02-2010, 04:04 PM   #61
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Mr. Honda... look and learn.

Honda have noted the sales figures, electrical and water pump issues and have done something different.

The world already has KTM's, and the way Honda is pricing things at the moment they would probably be the same price anyway so why bother?

KTM's don't have DCT transmission, 3 way adjustable (average) shocks and all the other gee whiz bangery that seems to be so important these days. like USB ports, bluetooth, RJ45 jacks, wi-fi and SDcard slots and built in routers and battery chargers.

Big oversight on Honda's part not including all that stuff really.

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Old 11-02-2010, 04:06 PM   #62
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Amen. Give me a longer stroked, slightly lower performance engine (better mpg), in a reliable (better water pump) 950 / 990 Adventure package and I'm there. Until then, .
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:09 PM   #63
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I wish manufactures would build bikes exactly like I want….Daymn.

These two come close, even closer if they could be combined.

I loved both my VFR’s, gear driven cams and my Vtec. I Just sold my Vtec ‘cause shoulder surgery pretty much ruled out long distance runs on much of anything without a sit-up-and-beg riding style.

The Crosstour appears ok from a function perspective for me but I really don’t need a bike with the power or size of that 1200, even for cross country runs. My VFR, 800cc was more than enough to run all over the country fully loaded.

That leaves the Crossrunner. It is the proper size, but I do like a shaft on my touring bikes, daymn.

I learned a long time ago not to rule out a bike based on my first impressions. More than once I have changed my mind and warmed up to the design and ended up with the bike and loved it. I can think of three such designs in the last decade, the BMW GS, the Vtec VFR and the BMW RT. I Hated them all at first, I ended up with all three and enjoyed them all.
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:12 PM   #64
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Amen. Give me a longer stroked, slightly lower performance engine (better mpg), in a reliable (better water pump) 950 / 990 Adventure package and I'm there. Until then, .
Looks like the S10 is should be on the test ride short list next year then
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:37 PM   #65
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I don't even think there are dirt roads in Europe, except in the Eastern part.
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Old 11-02-2010, 05:30 PM   #66
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Lots of short people, especially women and shorty girly-men wind up buying cruisers
or gixxer 1000/R1/CBR 1000 etc.
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Old 11-02-2010, 05:53 PM   #67
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Looks better than the Yamaha Super Tenere.
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Old 11-02-2010, 06:05 PM   #68
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Looks better than the Yamaha Super Tenere.
I don't think so :)

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Old 11-02-2010, 06:21 PM   #69
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I don't think so :)


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Old 11-02-2010, 06:32 PM   #70
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I don't think so :)
you like the Yamaha better, good for you. Bonus points for inserting the picture of a significantly customized concept version of the Yamaha to show that your subjective opinion on looks is more correct.
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Old 11-02-2010, 06:48 PM   #71
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Love my XRL but have been thinking about the Veradero lately.
I love my Varadero. I would urge you to get one while you can, they will run out of stock at some point. The price is not too bad. Old Hondas become much loved Hondas as far as I can tell. I would advise to keep the XRL as a single track bike for a few years. I can honestly say that I have not worn out my street plated XR400R though and I have not ridden my DR650SE in a year. The XL1000VA is not light, is not a KTM950. etc but is is a great Adventure tourer and it is one hell of a lot cheaper than the new 1200 will be. AND IT HAS CHAIN DRIVE!!! Drive shafts (u-joints)do not like long travel suspensions at all. I think I would perfer a Vtwin to a V4 in an adventure tourer and who (at least in Canada) would need the power of a 1200, the 1000 has more than enough. My friend had a like 196X Honda 90 or some such. He went into the Honda dealer and got basically every part he needed to restore the bike. The parts man was his brother in law but he told me this story and I believe it is true.

From what I can determeine from the many hours I have spent on this site is that there are 100 different peoples version of an adventure bike. Some say the Suzuki DRZ400 is an ADV bike than there is the GS1200 and everything inbetween.

I want to be able to do 1000 mile days in something near comfort, I want to do gravel roads, I want something near weather protection like a good windsheild, heated grips and enough juice to power heated vest is good. I need enough weight in the bike to withstand side winds and transport trucks and bad spots on the roads, I need to be able to carry enough luggage to be on a long trip in some comfort, I want a great big gas tank even if it weights a ton, I like to be going 100 MPH when I pass a transport truck if I want to, I want good gas mileage, like a KLR650 or better even if I weight about twice what he weights and am wider by a bunch. Nice to be able to get aftermarket accessories for the bike too at a fair cost. A dead reliable bike and a good dealer network is a good thing too. All this and some things I forgot is the XL1000VA Honda Varadero my gentle readers.

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Old 11-02-2010, 07:04 PM   #72
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I don't think so :)

I've never fallen for a wheel before today...whatisdat?
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:34 PM   #73
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:41 PM   #74
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From the pictures seems like Crosstourer has a better ground clearance than Super Tenere... Or is this just a wish full thinking ?
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:02 PM   #75
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I love my Varadero. I would urge you to get one while you can, they will run out of stock at some point. The price is not too bad. Old Hondas become much loved Hondas as far as I can tell. I would advise to keep the XRL as a single track bike for a few years. I can honestly say that I have not worn out my street plated XR400R though and I have not ridden my DR650SE in a year. The XL1000VA is not light, is not a KTM950. etc but is is a great Adventure tourer and it is one hell of a lot cheaper than the new 1200 will be. AND IT HAS CHAIN DRIVE!!! Drive shafts (u-joints)do not like long travel suspensions at all. I think I would perfer a Vtwin to a V4 in an adventure tourer and who (at least in Canada) would need the power of a 1200, the 1000 has more than enough. My friend had a like 196X Honda 90 or some such. He went into the Honda dealer and got basically every part he needed to restore the bike. The parts man was his brother in law but he told me this story and I believe it is true.

From what I can determeine from the many hours I have spent on this site is that there are 100 different peoples version of an adventure bike. Some say the Suzuki DRZ400 is an ADV bike than there is the GS1200 and everything inbetween.

I want to be able to do 1000 mile days in something near comfort, I want to do gravel roads, I want something near weather protection like a good windsheild, heated grips and enough juice to power heated vest is good. I need enough weight in the bike to withstand side winds and transport trucks and bad spots on the roads, I need to be able to carry enough luggage to be on a long trip in some comfort, I want a great big gas tank even if it weights a ton, I like to be going 100 MPH when I pass a transport truck if I want to, I want good gas mileage, like a KLR650 or better even if I weight about twice what he weights and am wider by a bunch. Nice to be able to get aftermarket accessories for the bike too at a fair cost. A dead reliable bike and a good dealer network is a good thing too. All this and some things I forgot is the XL1000VA Honda Varadero my gentle readers.

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