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Old 11-03-2010, 07:11 AM   #106
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This is going to be a LONG thread ...Honda have indicated that if ...IF ... this bike goes into production , it will hit dealers floors in late 2012 ! And that,s here in Euroland , if it makes it to the states , it might be 2013
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Old 11-03-2010, 07:15 AM   #107
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Mr. Honda... look and learn.



Sorry, great, great bike, but that is not the customer they are going after. That market is really small. They need to offer a bike that suggests that capability, but is actually a touring machine, with a little gravel road ability.

Honda has to sell way more of these to justify their development than KTM sells of the 990.

Not my cup of tea, but I think they built just what they needed to.


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Old 11-03-2010, 07:19 AM   #108
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You can argue that USD forks aren't necessary or required for any given class of bike, but they are a genuine advancement in fork technology for several reasons, the big one being a reduction in unsprung weight.
True, but actual tuning makes a much bigger difference in the real world riding experience than whether you have one less pound of unsprung weight or even increased bending resistance (which, IMHO, is far more significant than the weight saved on a street bike). See F800GS with "advanced" looking forks which actually have surprisingly poor performance and offer no ability to adjust it without completely disassembling them. I'll take a well setup conventional fork over that any day.


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Old 11-03-2010, 07:28 AM   #109
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another overweight piece of shit roadbike like the GS & ST, honda lost its balls years ago
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:20 AM   #110
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I have been a Honda fan for along time, until the Super Tenere which I ordered. The honda doesn't seem to be as off road worthy as the Yamaha or GS. I suspect the bike will be over 600lbs and over $15k, bags probably not included.
The forks to me still look outdated and on the small side of 43 or 45 mm. I like how Yamaha has gone to USD forks more modern along with the wave rotors. The front fork angle looks like it sticks out too far like an F650GS or something. THis design of the CrossTourer just doesn't look completely "Adventure" capable.

Come on may!!! Super Tenere yippie!!!

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Old 11-03-2010, 08:24 AM   #111
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This is going to be a LONG thread ...Honda have indicated that if ...IF ... this bike goes into production , it will hit dealers floors in late 2012 ! And that,s here in Euroland , if it makes it to the states , it might be 2013
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Amen to that.

This'll end up as bad as the F800 / Tiger 800 thread.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:43 AM   #112
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:51 AM   #113
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Nice job with photoshop, I tried to do the same thing, but got frustrated - I've never learned how to use that program properly.

One interesting aspect of this comparison is that the S10 has the screen/fairing set much further forward of the rider. Many S10 riders have commented on how far the distance is. I think this explains why a lot of folks are having issues with buffeting, although it appears solvable with aftermarket screens. But I bet "out of the box", this new Honda will have smoother air.

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Old 11-03-2010, 11:33 AM   #114
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You can argue that USD forks aren't necessary or required for any given class of bike, but they are a genuine advancement in fork technology for several reasons, the big one being a reduction in unsprung weight. There's more than style involved here.

Honda has a history of taking good bikes and crippling them with bargain basement, sub-par suspension. Too early to tell with these new Hondas, but the use of conventional forks isn't a good omen.

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Just an honest question, are USD forks more suceptable to damage when used off-road, in sand and mud?

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Old 11-03-2010, 11:38 AM   #115
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Sorry about offtopic - RE: CRF230 motard...

No it is not available :(
Not in Germany. Not in Belgium. Not in France. Not in UK. Etc.
Not at all.
And even more. Not a SINGLE homologated light offroader here.
Off road use strictly 450s and 250s.
It is first time I ever hear about CRF230 motard, I swear.

The only ever bikes you can buy new that would somehow fit in is WR125X, XT125X, XT660R (thou it is not light bike) and offroad road legal WR250R. Kawasaki has offroad road legal KLX250S. Suzuki DR-Z125SM (actually not really capable of anything). So...where is 250-400 cc motard?
That seems surprising if the market is as you say. Here (US) the Japanese manufacturers each offer a motard and each quite different.
CRF230M, KLX250SF, WR250X and DRZ-400SM. Maybe due to the fact that each offers basically the same bike in dual-sport trim. I imagine the dual sport market is a little larger in the US than western Europe.
Though we get basically no motorcycles below 200cc

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Old 11-03-2010, 11:46 AM   #116
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Just an honest question, are USD forks more suceptable to damage when used off-road, in sand and mud?
You would think so, but it must not be a huge issue as USD forks are pretty much universal on high-performance MX and enduro bikes. They're more down in the muck, OTOH, they're typically mounted behind some good guards whereas conventional forks often have exposed tubes above the fender where they get a lot of rock nicks. Regardless, given the off-road performance envelope of the bikes we're discussing here, I'd rate this as a non-issue.

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Old 11-03-2010, 12:01 PM   #117
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Just an honest question, are USD forks more suceptable to damage when used off-road, in sand and mud?

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You answered you own question Jim.
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:05 PM   #118
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One interesting aspect of this comparison is that the S10 has the screen/fairing set much further forward of the rider. Many S10 riders have commented on how far the distance is. I think this explains why a lot of folks are having issues with buffeting, although it appears solvable with aftermarket screens.
Yep that could well be the case the buffeting is coming from below.
Bit i'm verry happy with the far away headlights, it means there is ean enormous stearing lock freedom, to get the bike around nary treestumps and out of rutt's
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:07 PM   #119
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You answered you own question Jim.
I thought the same a while back, until someone made a brilliant remark, dirt will get stuck on the forkseal if it's right side up, but drops to the earth on USD forks...
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:15 PM   #120
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Eh?

Doesn't BMW hold a patent on the cross spoke design? The wheels look exactly like the GS ones.
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