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Old 04-12-2010, 04:45 AM   #4126
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Friend of mine just purchased a little Schweizer and needs to get it from Phoenix, AZ to Glasgow, MT.

Anyone know how this should happen?

Need some answers and solutions ASAP. Thanks!
I am coming up on my 7 days off, I could ferry it for you, and I am a cfi so could instruct him and both log the time along the way.
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:56 AM   #4127
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Thanks guys for the ferry offers! Can you PM me your poop if a call for ferry/instruction is in order?

The little ship is in time and currently legal to fly...I'm thinkin he'd like it transported instead of flown. Not that getting some time is totally out of the question, he's looking at all the options.

Does anyone know of a trailer or transportation company that specializes in heli transport in Phoenix area? He also knows a guy from Phoenix that has a truck and can yank the trailer up and back if renting a trailer is an option...but he perfers to leave the transport to someone that knows what the hell their doing...loading/unloading, ect.

Again, thanks for the replys!
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:43 PM   #4128
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http://www.corporatehelicopters.com/...?page=shipping

These guys ship them all over.
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Old 04-12-2010, 04:54 PM   #4129
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Saw this in the paper today.

Looks cool.



http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/04...eover-for.html
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Old 04-12-2010, 05:02 PM   #4130
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Interesting but are they going to put the sensor mast up on top of both those rotors?
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Old 04-12-2010, 07:16 PM   #4131
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Interesting but are they going to put the sensor mast up on top of both those rotors?
Dunno.


I read something about 8 months ago about a company doing similar mods to the black hawk. They put a single ducted fan on the tail with a huge vein to direct air 90* to counteract the rotor and some 4' wing stubs on each side to help with lift. Once it reached a high enough speed the vein would straighten out and engine power would be diverted from the main rotor to the ducted fan and basically turn the whole thing into a 250+mph gyrocopter.
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Old 04-12-2010, 07:20 PM   #4132
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Are you thinking X2?
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Old 04-12-2010, 07:24 PM   #4133
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Are you thinking X2?


This.

Though I remember the wings being smaller.

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Old 04-12-2010, 08:08 PM   #4134
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Anybody here know the name Maitland Bleecker? He was my Aunt's Grandfather (no blood relation to me). Developed one of the first working prototype helicopters. Absolutely amazing guy to talk to... glad I had the chance before he passed on.

Even reading his notes, I still can't work out how they stay up there!

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Old 04-12-2010, 08:23 PM   #4135
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This.

Though I remember the wings being smaller.

The stubs have grown and shrunk a few times during the course of the program. Big stub wings and downwash yield lift factors akin to standing in a five gallon bucket and trying to lift yourself off the ground.
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The stubs have grown and shrunk a few times during the course of the program. Big stub wings and downwash yield lift factors akin to standing in a five gallon bucket and trying to lift yourself off the ground.
Makes sense.
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Old 04-13-2010, 05:03 AM   #4137
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Being devloped by Piasecki, the folks who brought you the tandem rotor heavy lift aircraft they long ago sold to Boeing. The old man was one hell of an inventor.

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Old 04-13-2010, 05:17 AM   #4138
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It seems like the stub wings wouldn't be tremendously useful even in fast, forward flight with counter-rotating, coaxial rotors and a separate source of forward thrust. Seems the rotors could make a pretty effective wing. With a single rotor it makes more sense as the added lift could take some load off the rotor and allow a bit more speed before retreating blade stall became a limiting factor. Maybe a swing-wing or retractable wing would be useful to reduce the inefficiency during hover.
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Old 04-13-2010, 05:24 AM   #4139
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It seems like the stub wings wouldn't be tremendously useful even in fast, forward flight with counter-rotating, coaxial rotors and a separate source of forward thrust. Seems the rotors could make a pretty effective wing. With a single rotor it makes more sense as the added lift could take some load off the rotor and allow a bit more speed before retreating blade stall became a limiting factor. Maybe a swing-wing or retractable wing would be useful to reduce the inefficiency during hover.
I think the wings on the Kiowa are just for payload, but the ones on the Uh-60 are specifically for extra lift in forward flight, though I figured in forward flight those big blades would be enough at the speeds they're talking about.
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Old 04-13-2010, 05:47 AM   #4140
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Those big wings off load the rotor system and allow for more lift available for forward thrust and less dedicated to vertical lift. Or for a given speed less pitch, lower angle of attack, go faster before you hit retreating blade stall.

Wings make a big difference.
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