Helicopters R Us - Page 276

Elvis70 · 04-12-2010, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Flameout

Friend of mine just purchased a little Schweizer and needs to get it from Phoenix, AZ to Glasgow, MT.

Anyone know how this should happen?

Need some answers and solutions ASAP. Thanks!

I am coming up on my 7 days off, I could ferry it for you, and I am a cfi so could instruct him and both log the time along the way.

Flameout · 04-12-2010, 11:56 AM

Thanks guys for the ferry offers! Can you PM me your poop if a call for ferry/instruction is in order?

The little ship is in time and currently legal to fly...I'm thinkin he'd like it transported instead of flown. Not that getting some time is totally out of the question, he's looking at all the options.

Does anyone know of a trailer or transportation company that specializes in heli transport in Phoenix area? He also knows a guy from Phoenix that has a truck and can yank the trailer up and back if renting a trailer is an option...but he perfers to leave the transport to someone that knows what the hell their doing...loading/unloading, ect.

Again, thanks for the replys!

Elvis70 · 04-12-2010, 12:43 PM

http://www.corporatehelicopters.com/...?page=shipping

These guys ship them all over.

EvilGenius · 04-12-2010, 04:54 PM

Saw this in the paper today.

Looks cool.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/04...eover-for.html

Chilipepper · 04-12-2010, 05:02 PM

Interesting but are they going to put the sensor mast up on top of both those rotors?

EvilGenius · 04-12-2010, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chilipepper

Interesting but are they going to put the sensor mast up on top of both those rotors?

Dunno.

I read something about 8 months ago about a company doing similar mods to the black hawk. They put a single ducted fan on the tail with a huge vein to direct air 90* to counteract the rotor and some 4' wing stubs on each side to help with lift. Once it reached a high enough speed the vein would straighten out and engine power would be diverted from the main rotor to the ducted fan and basically turn the whole thing into a 250+mph gyrocopter.

Hedge36 · 04-12-2010, 07:20 PM

Are you thinking X2?

EvilGenius · 04-12-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedge36

Are you thinking X2?

This.

Though I remember the wings being smaller.

nadams · 04-12-2010, 08:08 PM

Anybody here know the name Maitland Bleecker? He was my Aunt's Grandfather (no blood relation to me). Developed one of the first working prototype helicopters. Absolutely amazing guy to talk to... glad I had the chance before he passed on.

Even reading his notes, I still can't work out how they stay up there!

Hedge36 · 04-12-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilGenius

This.

Though I remember the wings being smaller.

The stubs have grown and shrunk a few times during the course of the program. Big stub wings and downwash yield lift factors akin to standing in a five gallon bucket and trying to lift yourself off the ground.

EvilGenius · 04-12-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedge36

The stubs have grown and shrunk a few times during the course of the program. Big stub wings and downwash yield lift factors akin to standing in a five gallon bucket and trying to lift yourself off the ground.

Makes sense.

Elvis70 · 04-13-2010, 05:03 AM

Being devloped by Piasecki, the folks who brought you the tandem rotor heavy lift aircraft they long ago sold to Boeing. The old man was one hell of an inventor.

BikePilot · 04-13-2010, 05:17 AM

It seems like the stub wings wouldn't be tremendously useful even in fast, forward flight with counter-rotating, coaxial rotors and a separate source of forward thrust. Seems the rotors could make a pretty effective wing. With a single rotor it makes more sense as the added lift could take some load off the rotor and allow a bit more speed before retreating blade stall became a limiting factor. Maybe a swing-wing or retractable wing would be useful to reduce the inefficiency during hover.

EvilGenius · 04-13-2010, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BikePilot

It seems like the stub wings wouldn't be tremendously useful even in fast, forward flight with counter-rotating, coaxial rotors and a separate source of forward thrust. Seems the rotors could make a pretty effective wing. With a single rotor it makes more sense as the added lift could take some load off the rotor and allow a bit more speed before retreating blade stall became a limiting factor. Maybe a swing-wing or retractable wing would be useful to reduce the inefficiency during hover.

I think the wings on the Kiowa are just for payload, but the ones on the Uh-60 are specifically for extra lift in forward flight, though I figured in forward flight those big blades would be enough at the speeds they're talking about.

Elvis70 · 04-13-2010, 05:47 AM

Those big wings off load the rotor system and allow for more lift available for forward thrust and less dedicated to vertical lift. Or for a given speed less pitch, lower angle of attack, go faster before you hit retreating blade stall.

Wings make a big difference.

04-12-2010, 11:56 AM	#4127
Flameout Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2003 Location: I'm right where I'm suppose to be all the time! Oddometer: 261	Thanks guys for the ferry offers! Can you PM me your poop if a call for ferry/instruction is in order? The little ship is in time and currently legal to fly...I'm thinkin he'd like it transported instead of flown. Not that getting some time is totally out of the question, he's looking at all the options. Does anyone know of a trailer or transportation company that specializes in heli transport in Phoenix area? He also knows a guy from Phoenix that has a truck and can yank the trailer up and back if renting a trailer is an option...but he perfers to leave the transport to someone that knows what the hell their doing...loading/unloading, ect. Again, thanks for the replys! __________________ "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." Frederick The Great (1712 AD - 1786 AD) FOLLOW ME! http://share.findmespot.com/shared/f...rytJ4p77xkQ75p

04-12-2010, 12:43 PM	#4128
Elvis70 No speed traps in the sky Joined: May 2008 Location: Fayetteville, AR Oddometer: 4,922	http://www.corporatehelicopters.com/...?page=shipping These guys ship them all over. __________________ I'll tape it to the handlebars, it's just logic George! If your hand is broken, you tape it to the bars! - Evil Knievel's reply to George Hamiliton's question, "How will you jump with a broken hand?".

04-12-2010, 04:54 PM	#4129
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04-12-2010, 05:02 PM	#4130
Chilipepper Baja wannabe Joined: Sep 2007 Location: BC Oddometer: 787	Interesting but are they going to put the sensor mast up on top of both those rotors? __________________ Yes, this is my camera. No I won't shoot your freakin' wedding.

04-12-2010, 08:08 PM	#4134
nadams Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Apr 2010 Location: Ber'ck, PA, USA Oddometer: 493	Anybody here know the name Maitland Bleecker? He was my Aunt's Grandfather (no blood relation to me). Developed one of the first working prototype helicopters. Absolutely amazing guy to talk to... glad I had the chance before he passed on. Even reading his notes, I still can't work out how they stay up there! __________________ 1967 Yamaha YDS3 250cc smoker - project of the decade 1981 Yamaha XS850S Triple! - current project 1981 Suzuki GS450 - coming soon! http://nadams.smugmug.com

04-12-2010, 07:20 PM	#4132
Hedge36 Chasing parts. Joined: Nov 2003 Location: Anacortes, Washington Oddometer: 41,550	Are you thinking X2?

04-13-2010, 05:03 AM	#4137
Elvis70 No speed traps in the sky Joined: May 2008 Location: Fayetteville, AR Oddometer: 4,922	Being devloped by Piasecki, the folks who brought you the tandem rotor heavy lift aircraft they long ago sold to Boeing. The old man was one hell of an inventor. __________________ I'll tape it to the handlebars, it's just logic George! If your hand is broken, you tape it to the bars! - Evil Knievel's reply to George Hamiliton's question, "How will you jump with a broken hand?".

04-13-2010, 05:17 AM	#4138
BikePilot Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2005 Location: Tampa Oddometer: 10,901	It seems like the stub wings wouldn't be tremendously useful even in fast, forward flight with counter-rotating, coaxial rotors and a separate source of forward thrust. Seems the rotors could make a pretty effective wing. With a single rotor it makes more sense as the added lift could take some load off the rotor and allow a bit more speed before retreating blade stall became a limiting factor. Maybe a swing-wing or retractable wing would be useful to reduce the inefficiency during hover. __________________ '09 Buell XB12XT, TL1000S, H1F, M620, CR250R, DR250SE, XR650R, Cota 315R Summer 2009 Ride Report http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...1509c&t=507038 Summer 2008 RR. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=367703

04-13-2010, 05:47 AM	#4140
Elvis70 No speed traps in the sky Joined: May 2008 Location: Fayetteville, AR Oddometer: 4,922	Those big wings off load the rotor system and allow for more lift available for forward thrust and less dedicated to vertical lift. Or for a given speed less pitch, lower angle of attack, go faster before you hit retreating blade stall. Wings make a big difference. __________________ I'll tape it to the handlebars, it's just logic George! If your hand is broken, you tape it to the bars! - Evil Knievel's reply to George Hamiliton's question, "How will you jump with a broken hand?".

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