2wheel drive - Page 3

vortexau · 11-14-2010, 11:54 PM

If twin-motor (dual-electric) drive were to be used, with the IC Motor powering a generator; then two speed controllers could have their action in variance to the position of the handlebars.

Yet another final drive option would be to use two CVT transmissions. The variable pulley ratios should change to suit Left turn-straight ahead, and Right turn.

pops · 11-15-2010, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3legs

Hey Pops. Not trying to be a kill joy but it seems like a lot of work for something that you may only use once or twice. I'm mean with your record of breaking things is it really worth it

Plus with the amount of times you may use it, wouldn't it be easier to try and rig up an electric motor on the sidecar wheel that can be engaged at a push of a button (something I've been thinking of myself). Not only that isn't that what passengers are for, getting you out of bogs

3legs

We could have used 2 wheel drive on the weekend 3legs

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Wife was not happy about having to walk up a few hills

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We had 40 ltrs of fuel and 20ltrs of water on board and a lot of spare parts for the lads bikes .

But even some of the bikes had trouble getting up some of the hills.

We are trying to buy some 4X4 Quad front half shafts to start building the 2 wheel drive setup.
Small vid

Cheers Ian.

3legs · 11-16-2010, 01:12 AM

Tell the missus to quit her whinging

Time to hide I think

3legs

Mickldo · 11-21-2010, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pops

This is a toyota free wheeling hub set up. the top half un bolts to take the disc off . Will be easy to bolt our hub adaptor to it, for the sidecar wheel.

I am having a look at a suzuki free wheeling hub tonight .
Half the size of the toyota one.

Psst. That's a Nissan Poo-troll hub. The cruiser one is a bit different to the Patrol one and a lot easier to work on IMHO. The cruiser's stupid cone washers aren't as good as the patrol's bolts but the internals are better. But if you are modding it to suit the sidecar you could could drill out the cruiser's cones and put in bigger bolts. IIRC the Suzuki has cone washers too and is very similar to the cruiser, just with a smaller axle.

pops · 11-21-2010, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickldo

Psst. That's a Nissan Poo-troll hub. The cruiser one is a bit different to the Patrol one and a lot easier to work on IMHO. The cruiser's stupid cone washers aren't as good as the patrol's bolts but the internals are better. But if you are modding it to suit the sidecar you could could drill out the cruiser's cones and put in bigger bolts. IIRC the Suzuki has cone washers too and is very similar to the cruiser, just with a smaller axle.

You are Dead right Mickldo.

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It was on my lads shed floor .
I think it is the second one he has broke.

I had a look at a early Suzuki lj 50 hub the other day looks good.

I am not sure if you can get free wheel hubs for a later model suzuki.

I am still looking

Cheers Ian.

Richard-NL · 11-21-2010, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pops

I am not sure if you can get free wheel hubs for a later model suzuki.

I am still looking

Yep, for the LJ80, Samurai (SJ410 /413) and the Jimny, free wheel hubs are available. Not really expensive either, but you will probably have to buy two of them. Solves the vacuum issue too.

Richard-NL

pops · 12-11-2011, 04:29 AM

Mmmmm been a while .Well i have finally started to get things moving .
I ended up using a 2000 model Suzuki Vitara front hub and shafts with manual free wheel hub
Now i just have to wait untill my mate can make the center shaft for me to see if it is going to work .Then i can weld everything up .It is all bolted now just in case it don't work out .
Still a lot to do.

Cheers Ian

BeeMaa · 12-11-2011, 02:43 PM

This build is really coming along.
The hub is a great idea.
It can also be made into a type of fuse or weak link to keep from breaking more important stuff.
The hub is easy to get to, the parts are relatively cheap and they are small enough to carry a couple of them.
Jeep guys do this all the time to keep from blowing a differential or transmission.

pops · 01-11-2012, 07:18 PM

While i am waiting for my mate to do some lathe work to fit the Suzuki half shafts to the bike .
I found a Nissan Patrol tailshaft that will do the job for a while .

I did a small ride with it on ,works great. 100% better in the soft sand and mud .

Cheers Ian

brstar · 01-11-2012, 08:04 PM

Ian this is excellent, simple as, how does it steer engaged?
Not to heavy?
I bought a viscous coupler some time ago but may or may not ever use it (realisticly speaking

) It would negate the need for a locking hub and kick in automaticly with wheel spin.
Am looking at getting a lathe/mill in from China if it works out in the second half of the year. Will see how it goes after that.
Cheers Bruce

pops · 01-12-2012, 06:09 AM

Hi Bruce. It is a bit harder to steer in the tight stuff when going slow but as soon as you get some speed up it is a lot better to ride in the soft deep sand

. But I still got bogged . A Winch is needed

What we need now is some rain to see what it is going to be like in the mud.

I did try it on the tar

No way can you steer it with the hub locked in on the tar.

I too was looking at getting a viscous coupler Bruce ,for when i get around to fitting the Suzuki half shafts .
Not sure if the effort to fit one would be worth it for me ?as the only time the hub should be in is when we want both wheels locked in for Max traction .Bit like a diff lock on a 4x4 .

Fitted up some new tyres today. I never thought about it before but now with the 2 wheel drive we have to have the same size tyres on the rear and the sidecar .

Cheers Ian

Mr. Cob · 01-12-2012, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pops

While i am waiting for my mate to do some lathe work to fit the Suzuki half shafts to the bike .
I found a Nissan Patrol tailshaft that will do the job for a while .

I did a small ride with it on ,works great. 100% better in the soft sand and mud.

Cheers Ian

Howdy Ian,

I love it, simple, strong, efficient.

pops · 01-30-2012, 04:10 AM

Job done .Now I just have to go for a ride

Cheers Ian

MIXR · 01-30-2012, 02:35 PM

Like I said, you need to save weight by halving your toothbrush handles!

Fascinating stuff Ian, but far beyond anything I was contemplating for leaving the tarmac. I love the simplicity though. I guess you could even stash a Suzi Vitara there somewhere as a spare parts supply! By the way, I owned a shorty Vitara a while back. It was pretty much bulletproof in the 4wd system, so it's a good choice of parts.

Cheers, Mick.

kailuasurfer · 01-30-2012, 02:43 PM

I must say that this is a very nice solution! Wish you the best and thanks for sharing.

11-14-2010, 11:54 PM	#31
vortexau Outside the Pod-bay Joined: Feb 2008 Location: Just off the Warrego, S.E. Queensland Oddometer: 1,431	If twin-motor (dual-electric) drive were to be used, with the IC Motor powering a generator; then two speed controllers could have their action in variance to the position of the handlebars. Yet another final drive option would be to use two CVT transmissions. The variable pulley ratios should change to suit Left turn-straight ahead, and Right turn. __________________ '77 BMW R100RS with Ural chair '08 Suzuki AN650A Burgman (and trailer)

12-11-2011, 02:43 PM	#38
BeeMaa Hack Pilot Joined: Feb 2011 Location: NoVA Oddometer: 1,092	This build is really coming along. The hub is a great idea. It can also be made into a type of fuse or weak link to keep from breaking more important stuff. The hub is easy to get to, the parts are relatively cheap and they are small enough to carry a couple of them. Jeep guys do this all the time to keep from blowing a differential or transmission. __________________ Eric B '06 R12GSA/Hack An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. Robert A. Heinlein

01-11-2012, 08:04 PM	#40
brstar Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2007 Location: Perth Western Australia Oddometer: 393	Way Cool! Ian this is excellent, simple as, how does it steer engaged? Not to heavy? I bought a viscous coupler some time ago but may or may not ever use it (realisticly speaking ) It would negate the need for a locking hub and kick in automaticly with wheel spin. Am looking at getting a lathe/mill in from China if it works out in the second half of the year. Will see how it goes after that. Cheers Bruce __________________ http://brstar.smugmug.com/Sidecarmou...15235946_vHUqM

01-30-2012, 02:35 PM	#44
MIXR Studly Adventurer Joined: Feb 2011 Location: Canberra, Australia, AKA 'Polly-World' Oddometer: 500	Unbelievable! Like I said, you need to save weight by halving your toothbrush handles! Fascinating stuff Ian, but far beyond anything I was contemplating for leaving the tarmac. I love the simplicity though. I guess you could even stash a Suzi Vitara there somewhere as a spare parts supply! By the way, I owned a shorty Vitara a while back. It was pretty much bulletproof in the 4wd system, so it's a good choice of parts. Cheers, Mick.

01-30-2012, 02:43 PM	#45
kailuasurfer Dreamer Joined: Jun 2009 Location: Mid-Atlantic Oddometer: 280	Most impressive! I must say that this is a very nice solution! Wish you the best and thanks for sharing.

11-16-2010, 01:12 AM	#33
3legs Real men ride sidecars Joined: Oct 2007 Location: Adelaide,South Oz Oddometer: 828	Tell the missus to quit her whinging Time to hide I think 3legs

12-11-2011, 04:29 AM	#37
pops ^OP Beastly Adventurer Joined: May 2007 Location: Stirling North South Australia Oddometer: 1,403	Mmmmm been a while .Well i have finally started to get things moving . I ended up using a 2000 model Suzuki Vitara front hub and shafts with manual free wheel hub Now i just have to wait untill my mate can make the center shaft for me to see if it is going to work .Then i can weld everything up .It is all bolted now just in case it don't work out . Still a lot to do. Cheers Ian

01-11-2012, 07:18 PM	#39
pops ^OP Beastly Adventurer Joined: May 2007 Location: Stirling North South Australia Oddometer: 1,403	While i am waiting for my mate to do some lathe work to fit the Suzuki half shafts to the bike . I found a Nissan Patrol tailshaft that will do the job for a while . I did a small ride with it on ,works great. 100% better in the soft sand and mud . Cheers Ian

01-12-2012, 06:09 AM	#41
pops ^OP Beastly Adventurer Joined: May 2007 Location: Stirling North South Australia Oddometer: 1,403	Hi Bruce. It is a bit harder to steer in the tight stuff when going slow but as soon as you get some speed up it is a lot better to ride in the soft deep sand . But I still got bogged . A Winch is needed What we need now is some rain to see what it is going to be like in the mud. I did try it on the tar No way can you steer it with the hub locked in on the tar. I too was looking at getting a viscous coupler Bruce ,for when i get around to fitting the Suzuki half shafts . Not sure if the effort to fit one would be worth it for me ?as the only time the hub should be in is when we want both wheels locked in for Max traction .Bit like a diff lock on a 4x4 . Fitted up some new tyres today. I never thought about it before but now with the 2 wheel drive we have to have the same size tyres on the rear and the sidecar . Cheers Ian

01-30-2012, 04:10 AM	#43
pops ^OP Beastly Adventurer Joined: May 2007 Location: Stirling North South Australia Oddometer: 1,403	Job done .Now I just have to go for a ride Cheers Ian

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