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Old 11-08-2010, 01:34 PM   #31
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A few long time members may recall when I stirred the question and got this info:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=64

After about a year and half, my thoughts haven't changed much.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=72

I heard back from a few interested parties, but few willing to pay out. I couldn't blame them, for good reason, this had not been tested and who knows how it would work.

Seeing the smaller bikes w/ the Christini kits take on some of the hardest races in the world, such as Last Man Standing, Erzberg, Romaniacs and EnduroCross series has shown there strength to me, it was time to start asking if I could get some parts for a 950 version.

I'd not seen any other systems being tested in the public. Lots of emails to Christini back a forth over the following months commenced.
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Old 11-08-2010, 02:28 PM   #32
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I am in, I am reallt curious to see how it is all mounted and even more interested in how well it last with the weight and the power of the 950 versus the smaller bikes.
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Old 11-08-2010, 04:36 PM   #33
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OCT 2009.

I've had a chance to look over both the Honda and KTM owners Manuals for the Christini systems that were sent to me by Steve. Really trying to figure out how these parts could fit in the the 950 was going to be interesting. We have a bank of carbs on top, 2 cylinders, and a need for a custom tank.

Jeepboy's 950 "Fire" bike came up on an online auction that I stumbled across. I kept on eye on that for a few weeks and when the day came I started to bid. Eventually I won it, so that cold WI weekend I headed down to Iowa to pick it up. It was like bringing an injured family dog back into the house to be cared for. I now had an extra 950 ADV to work off of and 1 extra frame. The 950 ADV is an 04' S, so it's tall w/ long suspension, perfect as I wanted to upgrade my 06' S as it was.

I had a doner bike and parts, the skills and equipment to get this built, I hoped, and a big part, the "OK" from Katie to let me give this a go.

Now I needed to let Steve know I was serious and ready to give this a go. Crossed my fingers and hoped he'd let me buy just parts. I wasn't so lucky last year. I think he was a bit apprehensive about my goals and application, but over the year of either my nagging or persistence, his mind changed.

I placed an order in Nov 2009 and soon after a big box showed up.


It was like Christmas came early. Looking at all the billet front suspension parts and being able to hold the parts in my hands was a big step.
"Here it is, take a deep breath, now get to it!"

A few days later we got hit w/ this:


Not much riding being done around here anymore, but lots of time to think of crazy stuff to build.

I started to strip down the 04' 950 ADV to get a better look at all the frame fitment "issues" that I'll need to work on.


The next few months were spent prepping my 06' 950 for our trip to Mexico, building parts for that bike to keep it going strong. All the while jotting down notes and ideas in a sketch book Katie got me for my Birthday. That was a huge help keeping my ideas straight and I jotted down anything that popped into my mind.
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Old 11-08-2010, 07:20 PM   #34
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Old 11-09-2010, 03:17 AM   #35
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Old 11-09-2010, 03:27 AM   #36
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Chris - I dont know you - but I think I love you.....
I didn't know I wanted/needed this until I just read it..

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Old 11-09-2010, 12:04 PM   #37
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Old 11-10-2010, 02:53 AM   #38
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Kind of like getting an Erector set, lots of gears, shafts and chains and then you have to figure out a way to put it all together and make it work!








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Old 11-10-2010, 05:59 PM   #39
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Just watched the vid - I can see how it works I think?
With the take off from the CS would it be more efficient to run a hydraulic pump to power the front wheel instead of mechanical? More revs = more flow, still taking out the gearing effect..... Just putting it our there.
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Old 11-10-2010, 07:32 PM   #40
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I think Craig's busy playing with his CNC machine so in the meanwhile....

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Old 11-10-2010, 08:28 PM   #41
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Old 11-10-2010, 11:12 PM   #42
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Just watched the vid - I can see how it works I think?
With the take off from the CS would it be more efficient to run a hydraulic pump to power the front wheel instead of mechanical? More revs = more flow, still taking out the gearing effect..... Just putting it our there.
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That would make the kit highly portable, because hoses can be routed around any convoluted frame.
So :
- sprocket (sourced from the output shaft) drives hydraulic pump,
- hydraulic hoses go to hydraulic motor,
- hydraulic motor drives steering head one-way clutch,
- one-way clutch drives front gears

That in fact places us right at the meeting point of the Yamaha technology and the Christini way of doing things.
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Old 11-11-2010, 07:57 AM   #43
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Thanks for adding the videos and keeping this going while I was gone.

I've gone round and round on ideas. I'm not a hydraulic wiz, so I tried to stick w/ what I knew I could fix or beef up if it broke. One other reason I wanted to stick w/ the "Original" idea of the chains and shafts was to give the parts a good work-out. Chains and sprockets also allows me to change my front drive % pretty easily. Currently I'm at 60% front drive. So 1 full rotation of the rear tire is 6/10 up front. The front wheel only drives when the rear wheel slips. I have built it so I can test 60%, 70%, 80% by swapping chains and sprockets. I've only tested the 60% so far, the higher you go the sooner the front wheel starts to pull.

When I talk to riders about this system on smaller bikes (530-250) everyone seems to think that the system is week and will break at the first bump. If I could get a system to last on the 950, my thoughts were that should help convince people it does work. Now that I have a working TEST bike, I plan to keep tweaking and modifying things. Testing new ideas as time and funds allow.
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Old 11-11-2010, 08:16 AM   #44
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Just watched the vid - I can see how it works I think?
With the take off from the CS would it be more efficient to run a hydraulic pump to power the front wheel instead of mechanical? More revs = more flow, still taking out the gearing effect..... Just putting it our there.
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That's how Ohlins did it - http://www.ohlins.com/Checkpoint-Ohl...omplete-Story/
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Old 11-11-2010, 08:22 AM   #45
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In Jan we took off for a few weeks to go some place warm and let the brain thaw out.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=542774

Relaxing the brain before the build up starts again. Sometimes I get focused too much that my brain locks out new ideas. Stepping back for a while and revisiting a problem and can shed new light on the subject.

When a kit is purchased through Christini for a bike, you send in your frame and front forks to be modified. They rebuild your frame and powder coat it, sending you back a frame, forks, gas tank everything needed to rebuild your bike. Or you could buy a NEW bike already built for a pretty good discount on the kit.

I didn't have that option so......

Let the grinding begin.


Remove the steering lock stop.


Remove the fairing mount bracket.


Now, how to cut the head tube off? Keeping the head angle and geometry is pretty important. This isn't OCC. I need to this bike to handle hard off road use and abuse, endure long distance touring fully loaded, and be safe at speed.
Not just tooling around city streets from bar to bar.

I started out making a fixture to hold the frame so I could align it for cutting in the CNC.
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