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Old 12-10-2013, 06:29 AM   #1966
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It really does not matter that it goes flat, as long as you make the time you ride without a flat. Everyone should be checking the air just before they ride anyhow.
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Old 12-10-2013, 08:41 AM   #1967
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It really does not matter that it goes flat, as long as you make the time you ride without a flat. Everyone should be checking the air just before they ride anyhow.
That's what I was thinking but I still don't know what I know about trials.
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Old 12-10-2013, 09:09 AM   #1968
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It really does not matter that it goes flat, as long as you make the time you ride without a flat. Everyone should be checking the air just before they ride anyhow.
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That's what I was thinking but I still don't know what I know about trials.

What Lineaway is saying is:
Just imagine a tire going flat and you checking it before you start and then riding quick enough so that you finish before it goes all the way flat. Does that help?
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Old 12-10-2013, 09:32 AM   #1969
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Ok first thing is air the tire up to 40lbs. spray soapy water on each spoke nipple, if leaks around nipples, the fix is simple. Take the rear tire off, remove the rubber band, clean all the little bits of dirt that snuck down through spoke nipples and the rim. if rim is corroded badly (saw it once on an old 99 321) you can put a really thin bead of silicone on each side of the rubber band (not on nipples, dotn ask why I know) each SIDE of the rubber band!

else it is the tire. you can put a tube, you gain like 1 lb of weight with a tube, no big deal, dont lose the tubless parts (schrader valve you have to remove) so when you get a new tires you can go back go tubeless.

X-Lites last about a year before the constant flexing around the knobs of the tire, crack and leak for me. but by then tire is worn to hell anyhow, only $200 to replace, pocket change for some of you, lol.
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Old 12-10-2013, 09:58 AM   #1970
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Ok first thing is air the tire up to 40lbs. spray soapy water on each spoke nipple, if leaks around nipples, the fix is simple. Take the rear tire off, remove the rubber band, clean all the little bits of dirt that snuck down through spoke nipples and the rim. if rim is corroded badly (saw it once on an old 99 321) you can put a really thin bead of silicone on each side of the rubber band (not on nipples, dotn ask why I know) each SIDE of the rubber band!
Like I said in my previous post, I have the new style spoked wheel...there is no nipple to leak from, and the problem was my valve stem. But I did have a leak from a nipple on my dirt bike, which has the Nuetech Tubliss system, where the strip was no longer overlaping like it was supposed to...put a new strip and leak was gone.
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:09 AM   #1971
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Like I said in my previous post, I have the new style spoked wheel...there is no nipple to leak from, and the problem was my valve stem. But I did have a leak from a nipple on my dirt bike, which has the Nuetech Tubliss system, where the strip was no longer overlaping like it was supposed to...put a new strip and leak was gone.
Well I missed reading that, by "that much" (using my Get Smart voice)... lol
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:43 AM   #1972
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The solid rims always went flat. You might do the old tire shop way and put in in a tub of water.( put it in the kitchen sink or if you have a deep sink.) Could just be leaking along the bead. You did not mention the tire. New michlen I would guess. Even my `89 Beta had solid wheels. Flat every time I went riding was normal.
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:52 AM   #1973
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Like I said in my previous post, I have the new style spoked wheel...there is no nipple to leak from, and the problem was my valve stem. But I did have a leak from a nipple on my dirt bike, which has the Nuetech Tubliss system, where the strip was no longer overlaping like it was supposed to...put a new strip and leak was gone.
That is interesting if you mean the tape when you say strip, because the tape has nothing to do with sealing. It is a cushion between the spoke nipples and the inner bladder. The latest instructions also say to not overlap the tape ends. My apologies if you are referring to something else, but I didn't wish anyone to think the TuBliss system relies on a similiar rim sealing strip and/or suffers from leaking spoke nipples like old-style trials wheels.

(I have six Tubliss systems installed and two old-style rear tubeless trials wheels in service, so I am well-practiced in inflation!)

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Old 12-10-2013, 11:04 AM   #1974
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That is interesting if you mean the tape when you say strip, because the tape has nothing to do with sealing. It is a cushion between the spoke nipples and the inner bladder. The latest instructions also say to not overlap the tape ends. My apologies if you are referring to something else, but I didn't wish anyone to think the TuBliss system suffers from leaking spoke nipples like old-style trials wheels.

(I have six Tubliss systems installed and two old-style rear tubeless trials wheels in service, so I am well-practiced in inflation!)

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Yes sorry, I meant the tape. I have a whole bunch of dirtbike and spare rims which all have the Tubliss system.....except for the front wheels of my trials bikes, non of my dirtbikes have tubes. I think most of the tapes on my rims overlap a little, but hasn't caused any issues.
Just to eliminate any confusion when referring to the new style spokes, this is what the rim looks like

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Old 12-10-2013, 11:32 AM   #1975
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Montesa came out with those long ago. I hated those short spokes, but they were easy to replace!
http://www.triallinks.com/montesa_history.html
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:10 PM   #1976
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Yes sorry, I meant the tape. I have a whole bunch of dirtbike and spare rims which all have the Tubliss system.....except for the front wheels of my trials bikes, non of my dirtbikes have tubes. I think most of the tapes on my rims overlap a little, but hasn't caused any issues.
Just to eliminate any confusion when referring to the new style spokes, this is what the rim looks like
So you acknowledge then that you didn't fix any leaking spoke nipples on a TuBliss system by re-doing the tape? Because the tape has nothing to do with sealing in a TuBliss system. That's my point.
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:53 PM   #1977
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Montesa came out with those long ago. I hated those short spokes, but they were easy to replace!
http://www.triallinks.com/montesa_history.html
WOW . '95, did they keep doing it up until the 4rt?
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Old 12-10-2013, 01:13 PM   #1978
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WOW . '95, did they keep doing it up until the 4rt?
Honda came out with that rim design in 1982 for the 450 Rebel. And yes, it's still on the 4RT's.
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Old 12-10-2013, 01:16 PM   #1979
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Beta came out with the tubeless in `87 I believe, the Montesa 311 in `93.
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:21 AM   #1980
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Honda came out with that rim design in 1982 for the 450 Rebel. And yes, it's still on the 4RT's.
Honda works in mysterious ways. Cutting edge tech (80's version) for a 450 cruiser you never see anymore.

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