V649HP-Kawasaki's new gravel runner - Page 4

jdrocks · 12-16-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SamM

Yep, they said the same thing about my KLR frame.

SamM

and that would be...what? hope nobody dissed your KLR frame, not that i know beans about them.

johnwesley · 12-16-2010, 06:52 PM

Well come on bolt something on already.

with the v sub will the seat heigth change ?

sanjoh · 12-16-2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jdrocks

sure, a few brackets, but ounces, add up to pounds

fix'd

Are you gonna use a bunch of steel on this one?

Rode the dirt ninja today after having been off of it for 3 weeks. I've forgotten how light it is and oh my the wheelies

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jdrocks · 12-16-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by johnwesley

Well come on bolt something on already.

with the v sub will the seat heigth change ?

gotta paint the frame, and some parts first. my paint got delayed in all the santa traffic.

it will be a tall mofo. if i fall over it will be about the same as getting bucked off a twenty hand horse.

might see ya in the yukon, you can check it out.

johnwesley · 12-16-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jdrocks

might see ya in the yukon, you can check it out.

Awesome

not sure what I am taking yet a kawi green tiger or a beat in 08 KLR either way I'll recognize your beast. You'll have to slow down to let me catch up though

jdrocks · 12-16-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sanjoh

fix'd

Are you gonna use a bunch of steel on this one?

there's just nothing much to cut on that frame, sorry. it needs to carry some serious weight way out there, can't have it break in half.

i like steel for any fabbed parts. if you need a repair, you can find someone to weld steel just about anywhere, not so with aluminum.

send me some of those fancy lights, i'll do a product review.

SamM · 12-16-2010, 07:24 PM

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and that would be...what? hope nobody dissed your KLR frame, not that i know beans about them.

That I couldn't cut any weight off it.

Honestly jd, I'm on your side with this. I like what you are doing. Here you go!

SamM

jdrocks · 12-16-2010, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SamM

That I couldn't cut any weight off it.

i know that weight can be taken off a stock ninja, versys, or klr.

we're talking about a bare versys frame here. a few ounces of light gauge bracket steel, nothing more. if you think more of this frame can be removed, please point it out.

60# frame, 130# engine...this build is not going to be a light bike. it will be a good gravel runner though...and cheap.

SamM · 12-17-2010, 09:48 AM

It's really hard to see what, is exactly what just looking at the bare frame. Without knowing where everything goes, I would just be guessing. I sent my Versys manual to my builder. I need to get another one. The Versys frame looks like it has a couple of cast sections to it. One at the steering head and another at the back of the subframe. There's no way to remove those. That subframe just looks way overbuilt to me. I know that your not interested in doing this but I would cut off the lower tubes and add my own. Probably won't drop much. Easy to say for a guy letting someone else built his bike. When my bike sees the light of day, people will understand why I went to a professional.

When I dropped the 60+ lbs from my original KLR build, what I did was remove the fairing, tank shrouds and sidepanel bodywork tabs and mounts. The heavy frontend parts were all removed too. Getting rid of the stock bodywork removed more weight than just the tabs but there were a gazillion of them. It did add up!

Some of those parts (sidepanels) may go back onto the bike with the new KLE engine but weight won't matter much with this new version. I'd still like to keep it as light as possible.

SamM

jdrocks · 12-17-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SamM

It's really hard to see what, is exactly what just looking at the bare frame.

the versys frame is steel tube and stamped steel plate, no cast. the brackets for misc. oem plastic get shaved, but other than those there's nothing to cut. the remaining small brackets on the mainframe are the radiator mounts, battery box support, silencer hanger, gas tank mount, tube gussets, and so on. the steel plate on the subframe, besides structurally tying the side rails together, is the mount for several different assemblies and parts including the computer. the seat lock and seat supports are also back there.

when you think about it, for a steel frame that has been proven to survive under very rugged use, it's pretty minimal already. the engine assembly substitutes as the down tubes.

other than questioning some of the welds, i don't see anything to change.

jdrocks · 12-17-2010, 04:01 PM

put the frame up on the operating table, stripped all the grommets, harness clips, and miscellaneous parts. preliminary degrease, and then marked the brackets that get cut off. they didn't put much of a paint job on the frame at the factory. anything that was not in direct view looks like it never got a finish coat.

most of the custom parts are done in steel, but these little gems were done in aluminum. if they work i own the design, but if they don't...heck, ain't never seen them things before. amazing what can be turned out for very little $.

johnwesley · 12-17-2010, 04:57 PM

What are they?

jdrocks · 12-17-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by johnwesley

What are they?

bike build parts.

stay tuned.

A_Vasiliev · 12-17-2010, 05:09 PM

They look like adapter cups of some sort. Are they to mate the Ninja fork to the Versys frame?

jdrocks · 12-17-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by A_Vasiliev

They look like adapter cups of some sort. Are they to mate the Ninja fork to the Versys frame?

the 650R and Versys share the same basic main frame, and therefore the same steering stem and bearings, making the front ends directly interchangeable. putting the versys usd front on the ninja frame works real well for a DS conversion, but you would never consider doing the reverse.

versys usd forks on left, 650R forks on right. both have 41mm inners. you can see the relative size of the clamps. the 41mm 650R clamps allow the direct bolt in of the 08 and up 41mm KLR forks and this has been done, but those 650R clamps sure look small for a sustained offroad pounding.

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12-17-2010, 09:48 AM	#54
SamM Adventurer Joined: Nov 2004 Location: West Virginia Oddometer: 1,464	It's really hard to see what, is exactly what just looking at the bare frame. Without knowing where everything goes, I would just be guessing. I sent my Versys manual to my builder. I need to get another one. The Versys frame looks like it has a couple of cast sections to it. One at the steering head and another at the back of the subframe. There's no way to remove those. That subframe just looks way overbuilt to me. I know that your not interested in doing this but I would cut off the lower tubes and add my own. Probably won't drop much. Easy to say for a guy letting someone else built his bike. When my bike sees the light of day, people will understand why I went to a professional. When I dropped the 60+ lbs from my original KLR build, what I did was remove the fairing, tank shrouds and sidepanel bodywork tabs and mounts. The heavy frontend parts were all removed too. Getting rid of the stock bodywork removed more weight than just the tabs but there were a gazillion of them. It did add up! Some of those parts (sidepanels) may go back onto the bike with the new KLE engine but weight won't matter much with this new version. I'd still like to keep it as light as possible. SamM

12-17-2010, 04:01 PM	#56
jdrocks ^OP Gravel Runner Joined: Jul 2007 Oddometer: 2,837	put the frame up on the operating table, stripped all the grommets, harness clips, and miscellaneous parts. preliminary degrease, and then marked the brackets that get cut off. they didn't put much of a paint job on the frame at the factory. anything that was not in direct view looks like it never got a finish coat. most of the custom parts are done in steel, but these little gems were done in aluminum. if they work i own the design, but if they don't...heck, ain't never seen them things before. amazing what can be turned out for very little $.