Help! Immobilizer won't let me start her! - Page 3

Chuckracer · 01-19-2011, 03:52 PM

I will - I have no choice!

nomad guy · 01-19-2011, 04:33 PM

it seems like KTM does not have the resources to be on the cutting edge regarding electronics.
the good, tried and efficient products are already in the motorcycle, automotive and industrial/AG. market for a very long time now.
maybe KTM needs to be bought by BMW so they could have some money for r&d.

nevermind · 01-19-2011, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomad guy

it seems like KTM does not have the resources to be on the cutting edge regarding electronics.
the good, tried and efficient products are already in the motorcycle, automotive and industrial/AG. market for a very long time now.
maybe KTM needs to be bought by BMW so they could have some money for r&d.

Head2Wind · 01-19-2011, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomad guy

it seems like KTM does not have the resources to be on the cutting edge regarding electronics.
the good, tried and efficient products are already in the motorcycle, automotive and industrial/AG. market for a very long time now.
maybe KTM needs to be bought by BMW so they could have some money for r&d.

Would seem that the CanBus on BMWs is better and has fewer fault issues that I am not aware of? Or was it intended to be a not so subtle hook in the water?

Perhaps we should start a not for profit entity that can collect donations in the interest of improving KTM motorcycle's control and management systems... that doesn't sound half baked, right?

unaweep · 01-19-2011, 04:50 PM

Keep going guys. I'm a learnin' stuff here.

Seems there ought to be a way to cheaply and reliably measure the fuel output to then translate that into an accurate fuel gauge. Riding in Baja a couple weeks ago it would have been nice to know my fuel situation a bit more accurately, especially with the changing conditions- sand/silt/gravel roads/slab.

But, if that sounds stupid, I confess Colorado Uli told me that in Baja.

W'us up Uli!

GoNOW · 01-19-2011, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unaweep

Keep going guys. I'm a learnin' stuff here.

Seems there ought to be a way to cheaply and reliably measure the fuel output to then translate that into an accurate fuel gauge. Riding in Baja a couple weeks ago it would have been nice to know my fuel situation a bit more accurately, especially with the changing conditions- sand/silt/gravel roads/slab.

But, if that sounds stupid, I confess Colorado Uli told me that in Baja

W'us up Uli!

In an automotive application, that's dead easy. As standard, every car spits out of the DLC (that plug under the dash you connect your scan tool to), the RPM and how long the injectors are being held open. With a bit of calibration, you can figure out how much has has been used.

I just found this that may work on the KTM EFI.
http://ecomodder.com/wiki/index.php/MPGuino

And it shows how much fuel it has used to far. For 55 bucks, I am ordering one for my truck.

nomad guy · 01-19-2011, 07:24 PM

i never said that BMW is better . i said they have a lot more $$$$
to invest in R&D. i think that the early efi models behavior is not something KTM can be proud of.ready to race my a$s

and yes it was a stink bomb in the middle of the party...

any way this thread is getting so of track....my apologize to the op.

K2m · 01-20-2011, 06:33 AM

All TPS controled EFI has this problem......... the Kato stands out because of the shape of it's power delivery. If you could throw away the EPA rule book you could tune most of it away. It will never happen with closed loop operating.............

Moraflex · 01-20-2011, 01:27 PM

I would immobilize the immobilizer ASAP. Rip that crap off the bike. It completely ruined your vacation, which in my opinion is a priceless loss. Will KTM reimburse you for your valuable time off the bike due to a 10 cent part that never should have been on a dirt bike in the first place? Highly unlikely.

Beyond fuel injection, a bike that goes off road should be plain and simple, even anti-lock brakes should be trashed.

IMHO as always

Suncruiser · 01-20-2011, 03:36 PM

Immobilize The Immobilizer! ITI!
I'm all for that. I don't need it at all! I don't want it at all. seems though that the way its been built is a way that leaves no alternatives. The ECU won't allow starting the bike without confirmation from the antenna/ignition lock without the right key in it. no antenna no go. only option might be reprogramming ECU but I have no idea if that is possible at all.

Suncruiser · 01-25-2011, 07:06 PM

Got my bike back today and she's running fine again. the immobilizer unit was faulty. it got replaced and the keys got re-programmed with a new code and that was that.
I still wish I could find a work-around to have her running with no immobilizer so I can take her overseas.

Head2Wind · 01-25-2011, 07:25 PM

[QUOTE=Suncruiser;15031461]Got my bike back today and she's running fine again. the immobilizer unit was faulty. it got replaced and the keys got re-programmed with a new code and that was that.
I still wish I could find a work-around to have her running with no immobilizer so I can take her overseas.

[/QUOTE

congrats on getting it rolling again. Curious, why is taking it over seas a issue if the bike has a immobilizer? other than the "it broke, and now it does not run, yes this is my bike and yes I have the keys for it"?

Suncruiser · 01-25-2011, 08:08 PM

cause the immobilizer ads a high risk of the bike not starting in the middle of nowhere and only fix is possible at a KTM dealer with the diagnostic computer. the local mechanic had to install a CD on his computer that came with the new immobilizer to re-program the keys. so, in africa or south america if this happens again I would need to get the bike to the nearest KTM dealer who might be 1000s of km's away and wait for parts to come from austria. very inconvenient. am thinking DR650.

Head2Wind · 01-25-2011, 08:11 PM

understood.

I wonder if there is a way (perhap someone else has already considered this) to disable the 'immobilizer' in such a fashion that the owner/operator could choose to turn on/off at will?

Suncruiser · 01-25-2011, 08:56 PM

A On/Off option for the immobilizer would be good but I'd be even happier if there's a solution to remove the immobilizer. I'd be much happier without it. ps: on my way home from the shop today she blew an exhaust gasket and is very noisy now. I'm not happy with this bike's reliability. happy with the performance though.

01-19-2011, 03:52 PM	#31
Chuckracer More Ride, Less Google Joined: Aug 2007 Location: Lowville, NY Oddometer: 5,757	I will - I have no choice! __________________ 2003 Kawasaki KLR650 "Reality" 1993 Ducati 900SS "L'evento"

01-19-2011, 04:33 PM	#32
nomad guy nonaffiliated Joined: Oct 2008 Location: Stranded in Berkeley, CA Oddometer: 602	it seems like KTM does not have the resources to be on the cutting edge regarding electronics. the good, tried and efficient products are already in the motorcycle, automotive and industrial/AG. market for a very long time now. maybe KTM needs to be bought by BMW so they could have some money for r&d. __________________ Cheers Guy 04 KTM ADV 950S GO!!!!! 09 KTM 690 ENDURO R

01-19-2011, 04:50 PM	#35
unaweep Uses lotsa band-aids Joined: Jan 2006 Location: Western Colorado Oddometer: 9,019	Keep going guys. I'm a learnin' stuff here. Seems there ought to be a way to cheaply and reliably measure the fuel output to then translate that into an accurate fuel gauge. Riding in Baja a couple weeks ago it would have been nice to know my fuel situation a bit more accurately, especially with the changing conditions- sand/silt/gravel roads/slab. But, if that sounds stupid, I confess Colorado Uli told me that in Baja. W'us up Uli! __________________ Egotism anaesthetises the egotist's stupidity.

01-19-2011, 07:24 PM	#37
nomad guy nonaffiliated Joined: Oct 2008 Location: Stranded in Berkeley, CA Oddometer: 602	i never said that BMW is better . i said they have a lot more $$$$ to invest in R&D. i think that the early efi models behavior is not something KTM can be proud of.ready to race my a$s and yes it was a stink bomb in the middle of the party... any way this thread is getting so of track....my apologize to the op. __________________ Cheers Guy 04 KTM ADV 950S GO!!!!! 09 KTM 690 ENDURO R

01-20-2011, 06:33 AM	#38
K2m ....58.... Joined: Feb 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Oddometer: 2,238	All TPS controled EFI has this problem......... the Kato stands out because of the shape of it's power delivery. If you could throw away the EPA rule book you could tune most of it away. It will never happen with closed loop operating............. __________________ The News, those who are trying to control what we think, do not want us to see. http://www.presstv.ir/live.html So good the British Gov. Banned it !!! http://rt.com/on-air/rt-america-air/

01-20-2011, 01:27 PM	#39
Moraflex Banned Joined: Sep 2007 Location: San Dimas California Oddometer: 1,342	I would immobilize the immobilizer ASAP. Rip that crap off the bike. It completely ruined your vacation, which in my opinion is a priceless loss. Will KTM reimburse you for your valuable time off the bike due to a 10 cent part that never should have been on a dirt bike in the first place? Highly unlikely. Beyond fuel injection, a bike that goes off road should be plain and simple, even anti-lock brakes should be trashed. IMHO as always

01-20-2011, 03:36 PM	#40
Suncruiser ^OP and Adventurer Joined: Nov 2009 Location: Nelson....... New Zealand Oddometer: 233	Iti Immobilize The Immobilizer! ITI! I'm all for that. I don't need it at all! I don't want it at all. seems though that the way its been built is a way that leaves no alternatives. The ECU won't allow starting the bike without confirmation from the antenna/ignition lock without the right key in it. no antenna no go. only option might be reprogramming ECU but I have no idea if that is possible at all. __________________ Good to be out there riding. Peru to San Francisco 2011/2012 http://allthoseroads.wordpress.com/ Oz 2010 http://helmutgottschalk.wordpress.com/ 2010 Adventure 990 R

01-25-2011, 07:06 PM	#41
Suncruiser ^OP and Adventurer Joined: Nov 2009 Location: Nelson....... New Zealand Oddometer: 233	Fixed! Got my bike back today and she's running fine again. the immobilizer unit was faulty. it got replaced and the keys got re-programmed with a new code and that was that. I still wish I could find a work-around to have her running with no immobilizer so I can take her overseas. __________________ Good to be out there riding. Peru to San Francisco 2011/2012 http://allthoseroads.wordpress.com/ Oz 2010 http://helmutgottschalk.wordpress.com/ 2010 Adventure 990 R

01-25-2011, 07:25 PM	#42
Head2Wind MotorcycleMayhem Joined: Mar 2006 Location: NorthWet Washington Oddometer: 2,154	[QUOTE=Suncruiser;15031461]Got my bike back today and she's running fine again. the immobilizer unit was faulty. it got replaced and the keys got re-programmed with a new code and that was that. I still wish I could find a work-around to have her running with no immobilizer so I can take her overseas. [/QUOTE congrats on getting it rolling again. Curious, why is taking it over seas a issue if the bike has a immobilizer? other than the "it broke, and now it does not run, yes this is my bike and yes I have the keys for it"? __________________ “The mind is sharper and keener in seclusion and uninterrupted solitude. --- Be alone, that is the secret of invention; be alone, that is when ideas are born.” - Nikola Tesla 2008 KTM 690 ADV- 2006 KTM 970 frankinADVsmSD ADVmachines™ Proven Solutions for your Worldwide Adventures...www.ADVmachines.com

01-25-2011, 08:08 PM	#43
Suncruiser ^OP and Adventurer Joined: Nov 2009 Location: Nelson....... New Zealand Oddometer: 233	Adventure cause the immobilizer ads a high risk of the bike not starting in the middle of nowhere and only fix is possible at a KTM dealer with the diagnostic computer. the local mechanic had to install a CD on his computer that came with the new immobilizer to re-program the keys. so, in africa or south america if this happens again I would need to get the bike to the nearest KTM dealer who might be 1000s of km's away and wait for parts to come from austria. very inconvenient. am thinking DR650. __________________ Good to be out there riding. Peru to San Francisco 2011/2012 http://allthoseroads.wordpress.com/ Oz 2010 http://helmutgottschalk.wordpress.com/ 2010 Adventure 990 R

01-25-2011, 08:11 PM	#44
Head2Wind MotorcycleMayhem Joined: Mar 2006 Location: NorthWet Washington Oddometer: 2,154	understood. I wonder if there is a way (perhap someone else has already considered this) to disable the 'immobilizer' in such a fashion that the owner/operator could choose to turn on/off at will? __________________ “The mind is sharper and keener in seclusion and uninterrupted solitude. --- Be alone, that is the secret of invention; be alone, that is when ideas are born.” - Nikola Tesla 2008 KTM 690 ADV- 2006 KTM 970 frankinADVsmSD ADVmachines™ Proven Solutions for your Worldwide Adventures...www.ADVmachines.com

01-25-2011, 08:56 PM	#45
Suncruiser ^OP and Adventurer Joined: Nov 2009 Location: Nelson....... New Zealand Oddometer: 233	On/Off A On/Off option for the immobilizer would be good but I'd be even happier if there's a solution to remove the immobilizer. I'd be much happier without it. ps: on my way home from the shop today she blew an exhaust gasket and is very noisy now. I'm not happy with this bike's reliability. happy with the performance though. __________________ Good to be out there riding. Peru to San Francisco 2011/2012 http://allthoseroads.wordpress.com/ Oz 2010 http://helmutgottschalk.wordpress.com/ 2010 Adventure 990 R

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