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Old 01-19-2011, 03:52 PM   #31
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Old 01-19-2011, 04:33 PM   #32
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it seems like KTM does not have the resources to be on the cutting edge regarding electronics.
the good, tried and efficient products are already in the motorcycle, automotive and industrial/AG. market for a very long time now.
maybe KTM needs to be bought by BMW so they could have some money for r&d.
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Old 01-19-2011, 04:35 PM   #33
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it seems like KTM does not have the resources to be on the cutting edge regarding electronics.
the good, tried and efficient products are already in the motorcycle, automotive and industrial/AG. market for a very long time now.
maybe KTM needs to be bought by BMW so they could have some money for r&d.
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Old 01-19-2011, 04:47 PM   #34
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it seems like KTM does not have the resources to be on the cutting edge regarding electronics.
the good, tried and efficient products are already in the motorcycle, automotive and industrial/AG. market for a very long time now.
maybe KTM needs to be bought by BMW so they could have some money for r&d.


Would seem that the CanBus on BMWs is better and has fewer fault issues that I am not aware of? Or was it intended to be a not so subtle hook in the water?

Perhaps we should start a not for profit entity that can collect donations in the interest of improving KTM motorcycle's control and management systems... that doesn't sound half baked, right?
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Old 01-19-2011, 04:50 PM   #35
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Keep going guys. I'm a learnin' stuff here.

Seems there ought to be a way to cheaply and reliably measure the fuel output to then translate that into an accurate fuel gauge. Riding in Baja a couple weeks ago it would have been nice to know my fuel situation a bit more accurately, especially with the changing conditions- sand/silt/gravel roads/slab.

But, if that sounds stupid, I confess Colorado Uli told me that in Baja.


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Old 01-19-2011, 06:25 PM   #36
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Keep going guys. I'm a learnin' stuff here.

Seems there ought to be a way to cheaply and reliably measure the fuel output to then translate that into an accurate fuel gauge. Riding in Baja a couple weeks ago it would have been nice to know my fuel situation a bit more accurately, especially with the changing conditions- sand/silt/gravel roads/slab.

But, if that sounds stupid, I confess Colorado Uli told me that in Baja

W'us up Uli!

In an automotive application, that's dead easy. As standard, every car spits out of the DLC (that plug under the dash you connect your scan tool to), the RPM and how long the injectors are being held open. With a bit of calibration, you can figure out how much has has been used.

I just found this that may work on the KTM EFI.
http://ecomodder.com/wiki/index.php/MPGuino

And it shows how much fuel it has used to far. For 55 bucks, I am ordering one for my truck.
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Old 01-19-2011, 07:24 PM   #37
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i never said that BMW is better . i said they have a lot more $$$$
to invest in R&D. i think that the early efi models behavior is not something KTM can be proud of.ready to race my a$s and yes it was a stink bomb in the middle of the party...
any way this thread is getting so of track....my apologize to the op.
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:33 AM   #38
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All TPS controled EFI has this problem......... the Kato stands out because of the shape of it's power delivery. If you could throw away the EPA rule book you could tune most of it away. It will never happen with closed loop operating.............




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Old 01-20-2011, 01:27 PM   #39
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I would immobilize the immobilizer ASAP. Rip that crap off the bike. It completely ruined your vacation, which in my opinion is a priceless loss. Will KTM reimburse you for your valuable time off the bike due to a 10 cent part that never should have been on a dirt bike in the first place? Highly unlikely.

Beyond fuel injection, a bike that goes off road should be plain and simple, even anti-lock brakes should be trashed.

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Old 01-20-2011, 03:36 PM   #40
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Immobilize The Immobilizer! ITI!
I'm all for that. I don't need it at all! I don't want it at all. seems though that the way its been built is a way that leaves no alternatives. The ECU won't allow starting the bike without confirmation from the antenna/ignition lock without the right key in it. no antenna no go. only option might be reprogramming ECU but I have no idea if that is possible at all.
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Old 01-25-2011, 07:06 PM   #41
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Fixed!

Got my bike back today and she's running fine again. the immobilizer unit was faulty. it got replaced and the keys got re-programmed with a new code and that was that.
I still wish I could find a work-around to have her running with no immobilizer so I can take her overseas.
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[QUOTE=Suncruiser;15031461]Got my bike back today and she's running fine again. the immobilizer unit was faulty. it got replaced and the keys got re-programmed with a new code and that was that.
I still wish I could find a work-around to have her running with no immobilizer so I can take her overseas. [/QUOTE

congrats on getting it rolling again. Curious, why is taking it over seas a issue if the bike has a immobilizer? other than the "it broke, and now it does not run, yes this is my bike and yes I have the keys for it"?
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Old 01-25-2011, 08:08 PM   #43
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cause the immobilizer ads a high risk of the bike not starting in the middle of nowhere and only fix is possible at a KTM dealer with the diagnostic computer. the local mechanic had to install a CD on his computer that came with the new immobilizer to re-program the keys. so, in africa or south america if this happens again I would need to get the bike to the nearest KTM dealer who might be 1000s of km's away and wait for parts to come from austria. very inconvenient. am thinking DR650.
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understood.

I wonder if there is a way (perhap someone else has already considered this) to disable the 'immobilizer' in such a fashion that the owner/operator could choose to turn on/off at will?
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Old 01-25-2011, 08:56 PM   #45
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A On/Off option for the immobilizer would be good but I'd be even happier if there's a solution to remove the immobilizer. I'd be much happier without it. ps: on my way home from the shop today she blew an exhaust gasket and is very noisy now. I'm not happy with this bike's reliability. happy with the performance though.
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