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Old 01-23-2011, 05:47 PM   #31
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I just thought my dogs were spoiled. Of course they would eat my ass if I tried to put all that stuff on them. I still think you should use an old bomb or bomber fuel tank. They are probably lining the streets up the road in Anniston. Looking forward to a campout so I can see it in action. Maybe Horsestomp?

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Old 01-23-2011, 06:39 PM   #32
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I just thought my dogs were spoiled. Of course they would eat my ass if I tried to put all that stuff on them. I still think you should use an old bomb or bomber fuel tank. They are probably lining the streets up the road in Anniston. Looking forward to a campout so I can see it in action. Maybe Horsestomp?

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I looked at doing that, but the shape won't work like I want for the Velorex frame. Too rounded at the bottom.

I'm hoping to have it roadworthy by the end of February... will let you know when we're campin'
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Old 01-23-2011, 08:25 PM   #33
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Very cool project, enjoying the updates.

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Old 01-24-2011, 10:27 PM   #34
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ideas to ponder

You may have already considered other options which don't require as much modification as a complete tub build, such as a cargo box or even these two seater option, but they too may offer some ideas. The one tub in the b pics looks like an adapted water tank metal tub from Tractor Supply. Certainly lots of space for hack dogs in it.

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Old 01-25-2011, 04:02 AM   #35
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You may have already considered other options which don't require as much modification as a complete tub build, such as a cargo box or even these two seater option, but they too may offer some ideas. The one tub in the b pics looks like an adapted water tank metal tub from Tractor Supply. Certainly lots of space for hack dogs in it.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g162/a1930ford/a1.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g162/a1930ford/a2.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g162/a1930ford/a3.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g162/a1930ford/b1.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g162/a1930ford/b2.jpg
Lots of good ideas in there to ponder. The water tank tub body is something I looked at, but decided the door arrangement would complicate it.

What we're thinking about now is a rear entry, so my 80- and 60-pound dogs can just walk in and sit down without having to turn around or otherwise get situated. Loading and strapping in two rambunctious dogs will be time-consuming enough without having to arrange the seating, I figure.

This rear-entry door would involve cutting an "L" shaped section from the rear end (as viewed in profile) that would be hinged at the very back. A step could even be added into the drop-down part if needed. At the cockpit opening a couple of hasp-type fasteners would secure it for travel.
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Old 01-25-2011, 01:13 PM   #36
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Lots of good ideas in there to ponder. The water tank tub body is something I looked at, but decided the door arrangement would complicate it.

What we're thinking about now is a rear entry, so my 80- and 60-pound dogs can just walk in and sit down without having to turn around or otherwise get situated. Loading and strapping in two rambunctious dogs will be time-consuming enough without having to arrange the seating, I figure.

This rear-entry door would involve cutting an "L" shaped section from the rear end (as viewed in profile) that would be hinged at the very back. A step could even be added into the drop-down part if needed. At the cockpit opening a couple of hasp-type fasteners would secure it for travel.
You may do well in checking out some sites that deal in handicap hacks. I have seen some of them with rear entry and they may give you some ideas to ponder in that area. YouTube may have some video clips of handicap hacks that may help to give ideas. Not sure, but also, Pashnit site has a specific area that covers handicap hacks, too.
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Old 01-25-2011, 09:40 PM   #37
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Yeah!!!
Your pups should be renamed. Lucky and Spoiled!!! Like your work, can't wait to see more. I'm in Ft. Worth. Finally. Headin SW
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Old 01-26-2011, 03:37 AM   #38
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Your pups should be renamed. Lucky and Spoiled!!! Like your work, can't wait to see more. I'm in Ft. Worth. Finally. Headin SW
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Old 01-27-2011, 10:26 AM   #39
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I like the harness set up, as it does not put pressure on the neck during a quick stop or accident.

The snap you use to the front belt in the clip may not hold with a great amount of pressure applied to it, such as when the dog is pushed forward and then gravity pulls him back with great g-force. Maybe I am incorrect on it, but those snaps are more for show than for use on a security harness set up. If they are the aluminum ones (I couldn't tell by what I saw on the video clip), they don't handle g-force stress very well and will stretch loose when strong g-force is applied. I found out the hard way when my Wire Hair Jack Russle took a dive out of the moving hack to chase rabbits which had jumped out in front of us while we were riding on an old back road. I had a trigger snap that failed when the dog pulled back from it. I thought she was likely hurt badly at the time, as we were doing a good 20-30 MPH, but she was fine.

There was an interesting article on Yahoo news recently in which a Vet claimed Goggles (Doggles) are bad for dogs, as it interferes with their sense of equilibrium. The Vet also claimed that dogs have a 3rd eyelid that is very good for when necessary if something is likely to get into their eyes. That may well account for all the stories of folk with Doggles having difficulty in getting their dogs to adapt to them at first. I have several pairs out in my garage, but the dogs won't wear them without a bonified fight.
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Old 01-27-2011, 01:48 PM   #40
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I like the harness set up, as it does not put pressure on the neck during a quick stop or accident.

The snap you use to the front belt in the clip may not hold with a great amount of pressure applied to it, such as when the dog is pushed forward and then gravity pulls him back with great g-force. Maybe I am incorrect on it, but those snaps are more for show than for use on a security harness set up. If they are the aluminum ones (I couldn't tell by what I saw on the video clip), they don't handle g-force stress very well and will stretch loose when strong g-force is applied. I found out the hard way when my Wire Hair Jack Russle took a dive out of the moving hack to chase rabbits which had jumped out in front of us while we were riding on an old back road. I had a trigger snap that failed when the dog pulled back from it. I thought she was likely hurt badly at the time, as we were doing a good 20-30 MPH, but she was fine.

There was an interesting article on Yahoo news recently in which a Vet claimed Goggles (Doggles) are bad for dogs, as it interferes with their sense of equilibrium. The Vet also claimed that dogs have a 3rd eyelid that is very good for when necessary if something is likely to get into their eyes. That may well account for all the stories of folk with Doggles having difficulty in getting their dogs to adapt to them at first. I have several pairs out in my garage, but the dogs won't wear them without a bonified fight.
Harness system: I bought the "PetBuckle" harness system and it appears to be made from the same materials as automotive seat belts and seems very heavy duty. This harness is attached to the sidecar body via a webbing strap and heavy snap-hook in the middle of the dog's back. The webbing is anchored to the frame of the sidecar and comes out between the seat bottom and seat back (like a car's seat belt). In front I added a traveler consisting of 1" wide nylon webbing that runs side-to-side of the car just below the grab handle. After clipping the rear snap-hook, I attach the harness to the traveler using an aluminum caribiner rated for 1,100 pounds. The caribiner goes round the two harness straps where they cross at the dog's chest and around the traveler webbing. This allows them to move side-to-side about one foot and gives sufficient slack for the dog to lie down out of the wind as well. I really can't imagine a scenario where this system would fail short of the entire sidecar coming apart.

Doggles: Both of my dogs seem to be fine with the Doggles. They weren't too happy the first time I put them on, but after 5 minutes riding in the tub they no longer tried to rake them off. One thing that has been happening with the female is that when I stop at a light or intersection and pull up my faceshield, she want the Doggles pulled back on her head. As soon as we're under way again I pull them back over her eyes and she's fine again. Only happens when my faceshield is up!
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Yes, the (caribiner) is what I was speaking of, although I didn't remember the name of the snap device. Didn't know it was rated for the pounds you mention, but that is great for solving what I was speaking about. Most I have seen are sold in Wally World stores or box such and are made of aluminum, but are not for climbing and such. Those are the types I was speaking of. Looks like you are all set to go, then. The harness style set up you have is on my wish list for the hack, but the list is always growing these days, so no telling when it will come to be.

I used the soft mesh Doggles on Murph for a short while, but my dogs just didn't take to any of them. Everyone thought he was blind when he had the soft-mesh Doggles on. Bosco, my Schnauzer who passed away last year, would wear the Doggles, but my other three have never adapted to wearing them routinely.

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Old 02-02-2011, 02:29 PM   #42
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Yet another direction...

A friend had this Harley sidecar body that he offered me at a very reasonable price, so I'm going to see if it can be fitted properly to the Velorex frame.

It has higher sides and a much larger cockpit than the Velorex 262 with plenty of space for the two pooches, plus I think has nicer lines and certainly a better finished appearance.

Tomorrow I'm going to yank the Velorex body off and see how she lines up.

It's hard to tell from this photo, but the Harley body is about 5-6" longer than the Velorex and it has a cutout in the bottom that the Velorex lacks, but sizewise it looks like it should fit.

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Old 02-02-2011, 03:57 PM   #43
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Looks like it should have an outboard on the back. I like the shape and looks. If it's glass you can alway's take out the cutout later. Great thing about glass is you can change it any way you want. I still think a dual-cowl phaeton look would be the bomb-diggety but it would require a bit more work. Be nice to have a little space in the back for gear and road tools(beer). That might be the one. If so it would save you a lot of work. I've alway's said I want to come back as one of my dogs after I die. I think I've changed my mind.

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Old 02-03-2011, 05:12 AM   #44
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Last night...

...I couldn't wait until today, so around 11 last night I started unbolting and removing the stock body, then set the Harley one on the frame to check fitment.

Not a perfect fit, but with a few spacers it'll work just fine. Even the seat and luggage rack from the Velo will fit with a few mods.

Around 1 a.m. (not attached, just sitting on the frame):

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Old 02-03-2011, 04:20 PM   #45
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Today...

My buddy Joe and I mounted the Harley sidecar body today on the Velorex frame.

Haven't had a chance to try it yet. We looked up after spending most of an hour on our backs starting or tightening nuts and bolts and there was snow everywhere.

I also mounted the luggage rack from the Velo onto the Harley body and used some cool plastic flush caps we found at the hardware store to hide the holes.

Still have to brace the seat with a couple of 2x4s and work out where to put eyebolts for the dogs' harnesses, but hopefully this weekend all three of us will ride together!

Stay tuned...

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