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Old 10-11-2011, 09:03 AM   #826
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Jeez, how long does it take to get this shit out of your system, the same thing is said every other page
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:08 AM   #827
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Not true. Buell was profitable when they pulled the plug and had just came out with a bike that should have been given a chance to catch on.
Buell may have been profitable (I don't know but I'll take your word), but it wasn't generating the income that Harley wanted them to. And they couldn't, because the vast majority of Harley dealers had no idea how to sell Buells, especially something like the 1125R (which I'm assuming is the bike you're referring to).

Harley's screwed now, because their target demographic is aging. 20 year old buyers don't (generally) want heavy, nostalgic machines. The 750 they're building in India can't get here soon enough, but once again, the dealers will do an awful job selling the thing to prospective buyers. Think about it, most dealers still refer to Sportys as either starter bikes or girl's bikes.

They've also got to get serious about quality across the board, but especially in the Touring line.
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:21 AM   #828
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I never paid MSRP for my Yam/Suz, but know plenty of H-D guys that did. Nice of you to admit that you know "plenty" of fools.

When time came to buy my first big bike in the late 70's, I looked at H-D and had GI buddies who rode them- or should I say fixed them..
You do know that things have changed a bit since the Trouble-Head...er... ah...Shovel-Head days.... Right?

The Bowling Ball company developed this little thing they called the "evolution" just before they were bought out buy a group of Riders and loyalists. A funny thing happened... You didn't need to own a truck to own a Harley anymore.


But go ahead and keep parroting how it was in the 70's... Or, perhaps stop by the store any day it isn't raining and I will take you out for a ride on the bike of your choice so you can become to an enlightened, thinking human.



I understand people not wanting a feet forward bike (i don't care for them myself) but if you spent some seat time on a new Harley... While you may not throw down money and buy one you would go away saying: "That's a damn nice bike"
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:30 AM   #829
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I also never considered a Harley motor until I saw the Ullyses. I wanted to test ride one but the local dealer never got one in. However ,on vacation I saw one at a dealership and stopped to check it out. It was used ,5500 mi., but I didn't have my riding gear with me. I always wear a full face helmet and ear plugs and thats how I wanted to test it to get an honest comparison to my other bikes. I found a set of earplugs but they only had 3 fullface helmets and none to fit my fat head and thats when I heard these magic words from the salesman. " Because of the upright riding position you really don't need a fullface helmet" I did ride it and liked it and I think with a little dialing in would be an excellent ride, but I tend to keep bikes a long time and feel parts availability will become a problem in time.
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:33 AM   #830
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The plug got pulled on Buell because (as much as I disagree with him) the high paid suite that runs the company saw where the economy was going and wisely shrank things back a bit to weather the storm. NOTHING more.


Was it smart? Yes, in many ways it was. It did piss off a lot of peeps but the guy at the helm does know a thing or two about business and Harley is NOT screwed. They are doing fine and will continue to do so. There are things in the works and the Marketing is doing quite well.

As an example: Women riders are up 51%. If you think that Harley is not getting a big chunk of them you are simply ignorant of what is going on.

I do agree that some dealerships are filled with "Big Bike Only Fools" It is easy to read the sales stats and see which stores continue in this foolish line of thinking.
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:33 AM   #831
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Face It

Mostly what Harley can do now is continue to market the *Image* and *LifeStyle*.
since that has been a huge part of their market share anyway, let 'em just focus on that, and let the wanna-be weekend warrior types remain sucked into that BS. i remember back a few short years ago, during Harley's 100 year anniversary, (what, like 2003?) some friends of mine were switching over from their old BritBikes to brand new HDs. there was such a demand there were none on the showroom floor, you couldn't order one, and the few bikes that DID come in were held on a type of lottery- you couldn't even be dead sure you'd wind up with a bike anytime soon! i think she went down to the local HD dealership maybe 10 times trying to hook up a bike and finally sort of camped out and bully-ragged them into giving her what she wanted! 8 years later you can't give one away! WTF.

HD has over-sold their market and that's why there are so many for sale on CL and everywhere else- many of these bikes were mere impulse buys for aging guys with big salaries & little dicks who have also had Corvettes and Vipers and BMW Z3s and cigarette boats or other such toys that they drove at 10-15 MPH below the speed limit, just like they rode their 28,000.00 *hog*- for two summers, at 500 miles per. (or less).

are today's Harley Davidsons actually decent bikes? probably. IF that's what you're into.
the day of the issue riddled AMF machines is LONG gone. but then again, so is the day (apparently) of the
HD-as-small-penis-enhancer. turns out Viagra is a LOT cheaper, WAY more effective, and leaves space in the garage for the NEXT red-hot image boosting and ego satisfying device.
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:48 AM   #832
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:53 AM   #833
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Hmmm - perhaps HD can see if EB will sell them any left over XB 1200 Buell motors (or even better, the 1125 Rotax) for their X_1200 models. Now that would be an improvement! My 08' Uly was maybe not the most trouble free, but was the most FUN bike I ever owned. Sorry they're gone.
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Old 10-11-2011, 10:02 AM   #834
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Ummmm, yeah. That's why I cited my friend that works at a H-D ership. For sure, H-D under AMF was real crap, but after Willie G and his crew bought the company, they improved quality, but it still pales in comparison to the Japanese bikes. It's kinda like how much $#!tdo you want in your soup?

But if you've convinced yourself that H-D is a great bike, get one!

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You do know that things have changed a bit since the Trouble-Head...er... ah...Shovel-Head days.... Right?

The Bowling Ball company developed this little thing they called the "evolution" just before they were bought out buy a group of Riders and loyalists. A funny thing happened... You didn't need to own a truck to own a Harley anymore.


But go ahead and keep parroting how it was in the 70's... Or, perhaps stop by the store any day it isn't raining and I will take you out for a ride on the bike of your choice so you can become to an enlightened, thinking human.



I understand people not wanting a feet forward bike (i don't care for them myself) but if you spent some seat time on a new Harley... While you may not throw down money and buy one you would go away saying: "That's a damn nice bike"
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Old 10-11-2011, 10:07 AM   #835
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^^^ That's some funny shit right there ^^^ (Folly but funny)


"It is the economy stupid!" It is not only Harleys that litter the pages of craigslist. It is ALL bikes, quads, sand rails and everything else that people would rather sell to keep a roof over their heads and food in their bellies.

craigslist would be littered with guns for sale too if they allowed you to list them.

Can you please share with the class why 98% of the HD dealerships in the USA are drastically low on inventory now? I can't get enough new bikes!!

I get in a new Switchback and it sells within hours. I get in a FLHTK and it lasts a day. (I have a deposit on the next two)

You want a TRIKE? FORGET ABOUT IT!!! I have deposits on the next three coming in and will likely be taking deposits and selling our full allocation for 2012 before the things even arrive. "but I want to see one and sit on it first"
"Stop by any Saturday and ask the owner of one that rolls in to sit on theirs"

"but I want to ride it before I buy it or place a deposit"

"Sorry, Place the deposit and or buy it and after you sign papers and take it for a ride... If you don't like it we will throw the paperwork in the shreader"

You want a Dyna Fat Bob. Better place a deposit. Wide Glide? The same.

"I'm sorry dear customer, I do not have a Iron 883 to show you... They sell within days of being put on the floor...Would you like to place a deposit on one? What color would you like?"

You want a new Night Rod? I get one on Thusrday... It will be gone by close of business Saturday...

And this is "the end of the season" on the Wet Side of Oregon.

I don't know what or how other stores are doing... Where I work we are doing quite well.
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Old 10-11-2011, 10:17 AM   #836
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It will be interesting to see how rebadged Korean Hyosung V-Twin 250's and 650's sell at H-D dealerships under the ATK name. It seems like a better idea to put n00bs on cheap, lightweight V-twins than either a remarkably pathetic Blast or an $8000, 600 pound cruiser with dubious handling. At least this seems like a better idea than trying to sell radical sport bikes out of a cruiser shop. So H-D dealers are obviously aware of the the aging buyer issue.

http://www.atkusa.com/atk/(S(vbivih5...TMay272010.pdf

ATK will be the second American brand featured primarily in participating Harley-Davidson®* dealerships, targeting a niche customer audience. These motorcycles attract new riders to sports motorcycling, including many women riders; who are looking for quality built smaller displacement motorcycles. ATK is the new, affordable, value-based motorcycle choice of a new generation of riders
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Old 10-11-2011, 10:18 AM   #837
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they improved quality, but it still pales in comparison to the Japanese bikes. It's kinda like how much $#!tdo you want in your soup?

But if you've convinced yourself that H-D is a great bike, get one!
Oh the ignoance is so laughable. Do you really believe that the quallity of Cruisers from Japan is better than Harleys? Really?

I am not a cruiser rider but I do plan to buy an XR1200X as soon as it fiscally possible.

Yes the Triumph and a Ducati both have similar upright Standard type bikes that go, Stop and Turn better... But the XR1200X speaks to me like no other bike and I am too old and wise to be riding like a hooligan anyway. I blame the Mert Lawwill segment in the movie "On Any Sunday" that came out when I was but a lad.
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Old 10-11-2011, 10:20 AM   #838
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It will be interesting to see how the rebadged Korean Hyosung V-Twin 250's and 650's sell at H-D dealerships under the ATK name.

That DOG is dead and buried.
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Old 10-11-2011, 10:48 AM   #839
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Can you please share with the class why 98% of the HD dealerships in the USA are drastically low on inventory now? I can't get enough new bikes!!
Maybe because demand is down, hence production is down. And maybe DAKEZ, the bean counters at H-D corporate have a better pulse on the economy than you do.

Or maybe you took the film "Field of Dreams" too seriously.
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Better tell Motorcyclist. The press release is old but it just made it into this month's mag.
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