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Old 02-01-2011, 12:04 PM   #1
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Chang Jiang BMW R71 Replica

Is this a fairly common bike or is this a somewhat rare beast? Is this guy wrong for putting the blue prop on a non-BMW?

Anyone have experience with these knock-offs? What's their story?

I am not going to bid on it, but I do find it interesting.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1938-...b6db2f8e#v4-39

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http://www.chang-jiang.com/
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Old 02-01-2011, 12:11 PM   #2
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It's cool, all but the badges. I guess they are OK. I like the bike, but have only heard stuff about them so don't want to relatye that since it is second hand and I have never owned one. I would say if they are somewhat reliable, it would be fun to ride round on since it looks soooo cool!
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Old 02-01-2011, 12:12 PM   #3
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BTW there are a few in town in stock trim which are not as cool loking as that one.
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:40 PM   #4
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This has been discussed a lot in the Hacks Dept. because they're usually sold with a sidecar. Very good looking bike. I have a feeling (didn't read the description) that someone did a lot of work on the cosmetics.

As far as the bikes go, I have never heard one single good thing about them. Never. What could go wrong with a Chinese flathead? You love the scooters, right?

A guy here -JimboSidecars- does a truely great job of putting BMW engines in those frames. I would seriously consider one of HIS if I was looking for a rig.

I am one of the fat-heads who really hate that BMW badge on that tank.
It looks good, but it pisses on the head of BMW.
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:42 PM   #5
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If you get it really cheap, if you are a really resourceful mechanic, if you can get it titled and plated, it might be OK.

There is a constant stream of hustlers trying to pass them of as BMW's or a rare version of a Ural. Caveat Emptor!
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:51 PM   #6
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Cordless,
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...picture-thread
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...to-be-in-China
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...8-Bobber-Bikes
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:53 PM   #7
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Is this a fairly common bike or is this a somewhat rare beast? Is this guy wrong for putting the blue prop on a non-BMW?

Anyone have experience with these knock-offs? What's their story?

I am not going to bid on it, but I do find it interesting.

Comments?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1938-...b6db2f8e#v4-39

And for more:

http://www.chang-jiang.com/

Not particularly common. They're a bit more than just knock-offs, as I've always heard that the factory in China was set up by BMW.

I don't think anyone's importing them right now.
There was a guy in Hood River Oregon (I think he's a member of advrider) who imported a few. They were registered as 1957 model motorcycles.
He seemed to like them.
If you can track him down, he'd be a very good source for information.
He had a website/club called the "Red Menace Motor Register"
Last time I looked for it, I couldn't find it.

Just occurred to me, it appears that BMW has come full circle. Aren't the F and G series motors being built in China now?
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Old 02-01-2011, 02:24 PM   #8
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Not particularly common. They're a bit more than just knock-offs, as I've always heard that the factory in China was set up by BMW.

I don't think anyone's importing them right now.
There was a guy in Hood River Oregon (I think he's a member of advrider) who imported a few. They were registered as 1957 model motorcycles.
He seemed to like them.
If you can track him down, he'd be a very good source for information.
He had a website/club called the "Red Menace Motor Register"
Last time I looked for it, I couldn't find it.

Just occurred to me, it appears that BMW has come full circle. Aren't the F and G series motors being built in China now?
You're talking about my buddy, Vernon, in Hood River. He frequents the forum below this one, HACKS. His website is:

http://adventuresidecar.com/

He's very knowlegable on sidecars. I know him because we both suffered ownership of Dnepr outfits some years back. Dnepr is the Soviet BMW copy.

Another buddy of mine in Florida had a Chang, and kept it around for the same reason I kept the Dnepr, to putt the children around the neighborhood. They're nothing you'd want to take out of town, as that would be really pressing your luck. Quality control and metallurgy are AWFUL on the Changs and Dneprs.

The best part of this machine was the sidecar, which looks like someone already deftly removed.

As a BMW rider, I, too take exception to calling it a 1938 BMW R-71 and mounting that on the people-slicer on the front fender along with the roundels. Like calling a Chinese Lifan trailbike a Honda XR200, it's just plain dishonest.

My advise is plain and to the point--Walk away.

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Old 02-01-2011, 02:37 PM   #9
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The way I was told the Chinese version is a bad copy of the Russian version, which is a bad copy of the original version. This bike in question was worked on to look very nice.
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Old 02-01-2011, 02:41 PM   #10
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Thank you for all this input. I knew ADVrider had some wisdom on these bikes.

I would be tempted to buy one for the retro look, but I will certainly not pay much.

Is it true that regular BMW engine parts will interchange with the Chinese parts on these bikes?
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Old 02-01-2011, 02:45 PM   #11
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Anyone know about the quality of the frame? I have a project that I'm working on. I'm on the look out for a plunger frame. The thought has crossed my mind about getting a Chinese frame. Just don't know about the quality. I suspect the worst.
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Old 02-01-2011, 03:50 PM   #12
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I reported the auction to ebay as a misleadingly titled auction. Frankly, if you have to title it as a '1938 R71 BMW' to sell it then that's just misleading. That and the fact that he added all the badges and whatnot - well... it's just a counterfeit. That kind of business just sucks. If he were up front about it, say titled it 'REPLICA BMW, MADE IN CHINA' then it'd be ok. But as is - that just isn't being an honest seller.
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Old 02-01-2011, 03:52 PM   #13
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I've always thought that the frame and hack and 70s airhead running gear ca. /7 should make a fun bike. Comments? Experience?
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Old 02-01-2011, 05:42 PM   #14
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I've never owned one but have read a lot about their weaknesses and strengths. Mostly weaknesses. They are a 35 - 45 mph bike and suffer at rpm's much higher. The one shown is a "flatty" (flathead engine) I think the cylinder oiling is a "splash" system and one cylinder is prone to failure at higher speeds and temps. They also make an overhead valve version which has a couple more horses. The transmissions / clutches are weak and the metallurgy is poor throughout....just what I've read....
They sure are cool looking though.
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:09 PM   #15
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I reported the auction to ebay as a misleadingly titled auction. Frankly, if you have to title it as a '1938 R71 BMW' to sell it then that's just misleading. That and the fact that he added all the badges and whatnot - well... it's just a counterfeit. That kind of business just sucks. If he were up front about it, say titled it 'REPLICA BMW, MADE IN CHINA' then it'd be ok. But as is - that just isn't being an honest seller.

Good on you dood.
I did that last year and frankly, EBay doesn't give a rats ass. As long as they get paid, they don't really care.
If they pull this I would be pleasantly surprised.
As far as MY opinion of the Badging with the Roundel,
To Quote Groucho Marx........
" I'd horsewhip him! (If I had a horse) "
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