The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest - Page 104

spagthorpe · 02-11-2012, 03:47 PM

So when are these supposed to hit the shores, next year this time? It seems in casual conversations I've had, some people out there are definitely on the fence. I wonder how it has hurt current sales. I know I wouldn't buy anything right now.

As far as the 130hp comments.... Really? You want a bike with less power? It would be awesome to have a bike that can make a pass without needing to get a running start, and also not overheat in stop and go traffic. Of course, if I had to bet, I'd say the liquid cooling probably won't solve that problem. I'm guessing it will be a very small radiator.

dmac57 · 02-11-2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rforrester

Ok, thats my GS rant. See you all next year when I trade in the 2005 for the new GS. Cheers!

Actually, that was pretty good. Big ups!

fixinbones · 02-11-2012, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by g_e_young

I completely agree - I used to get my CBR1100XX up over 130 as often as possible. But the question was why is BMW giving the new GS 130HP. Answer: Because Ducati put 130HP+ in the Multi. They would much prefer to have a lower HP figures for a number reasons, but they will lose sales to Ducati unless they match Ducati's HP figures. g-

I don't think BMW is upping the HP to "keep up" with the MS. The HP increase with the new boxer is just a product of the improved technology that comes with the water cooled motor. If BMW wanted a 150hp boxer I think they could do that right now and they haven't. I don't think most people are shopping both a MS and GS as serious alternatives. The MS is an upright sport bike and the GS is the Swiss army knife of bikes. If they were shooting for the same purpose and functionality then I would have to get rid of either my GS or MS. I think they actually compliment each other quite well.

spagthorpe · 02-11-2012, 05:50 PM

I agree. I think the bump in horsepower is simply the result of more people using them strictly as road bikes. On the street, more hp is rarely a bad thing. Lets not forget that even with equal hp, how much more does a GS weigh than a MS? I don't expect it would get away from anyone.

I'd be fine with lopping 100lbs off the GS, and slapping a 1000RR motor in there. I don't like the GS for it's performance, Iike it because it fits my 6'5" frame better than anything else on the market. The performance I just have to put up with.

peter-k · 02-11-2012, 06:29 PM

@ rforrester that was one of the top 3 posts in the 103 pages thread. Good example also regarding the difference in between our adventure tourer and a sit-up sports tourer.

hammick · 02-11-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GrahamD

Agree, Where I live it seems more and more people are discovering that fact. Watching some of the European "Adventure bike tests" I always sit there wondering WTF are they doing.

Wouldn't an ?-RT. Connie, FJR make more sense, if all you are going to do is ride on sealed back roads to pubs/coffee shops?

Been a few places riding with an RT and apart from the ring puckering moments where lack of suspension travel meets erosion rut that wasn't seen in time, it's not a problem.

Unfortunately in OZ it gets a bit hot behind all that tupperware in Summer. Maybe BMW can release a bike that has push button Tupperware ejection.

As for 130HP. Keep that for the Tourers, I think a detuned Lower down torque version would make more sense on a GS. Maybe the 130HP won't be the GS/A variant at all. They may just decide to go for some range. It's all a trick I tell ya.

Sorry guys but I have owned them all and the GSA is the best touring bike IMHO and can carry more stuff than even an LT.

stevie88 · 02-11-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hammick

Sorry guys but I have owned them all and the GSA is the best touring bike IMHO and can carry more stuff than even an LT.

What he said.

trc.rhubarb · 02-11-2012, 10:21 PM

Maybe I'm the odd one out, but I specifically came to the BMW over the Triumph and Tenere because of the Boxer motor. I love the exposed mechanicals and the history in the motor. It's great to see they are continuing the heritage, even if it's evolving (or some would say devolving)...

tallguy-09 · 02-11-2012, 11:05 PM

objectuser · 02-12-2012, 05:13 AM

I personally really like the boxer engine, but have nothing against the K engines.

What's the comparative engine weight of a R1200 and a K1300? Do they weigh about the same?

Jonesky · 02-12-2012, 06:48 AM

What's the point of it being a boxer if it's water-cooled? Are we just left with a lower cg? Along those same lines the choice between a Triumph Explorer and a BMW GS Boxer then is engine layout, I guess.

I really liked the fact it didn't have radiators and fans for LC (other than oil cooler) since it seemed like the things always cooked me in some way. Oh well, we'll have to wait and see as to how it does.

I'm thinking there might be a market for a 80 hp traditional boxer GS 800 oil cooled only. Big suspension, no can bus, or ESA, or ASC, (maybe ABS tho, for hypocrisy sake) and very simple with quality components and sell for 14K US. Not like the monster HP2 but simpler, smaller, cheaper. Probably conflicting desires here but it's a fantasy anyway.

Bails · 02-12-2012, 11:45 AM

You know if they get the LC boxer twin right there is nothing stopping a boxer Four. Flat four brings back memories of the early Led Wings!

Graemsay · 02-12-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by objectuser

What's the comparative engine weight of a R1200 and a K1300? Do they weigh about the same?

The K1300R weighs about 20 kg / 45 lbs more than the R1200R; the K1300GT is 25 kg / 55 lbs more than the R1200RT; and the K1300S is about 45 kg / 100 lbs heavier than the R1200S. That said, the Ks are generally bigger than Rs.

hillbillypolack · 02-12-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Graemsay

The K1300R weighs about 20 kg / 45 lbs more than the R1200R; the K1300GT is 25 kg / 55 lbs more than the R1200RT; and the K1300S is about 45 kg / 100 lbs heavier than the R1200S. That said, the Ks are generally bigger than Rs.

That's interesting. If that's a comparable weight penalty for the new 'WaterHeads'. . . . well, the jury's out certainly.

objectuser · 02-12-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Graemsay

The K1300R weighs about 20 kg / 45 lbs more than the R1200R; the K1300GT is 25 kg / 55 lbs more than the R1200RT; and the K1300S is about 45 kg / 100 lbs heavier than the R1200S. That said, the Ks are generally bigger than Rs.

Very interesting. So it's at least plausible that the engines weigh the same. Outside of character, maybe the COG is the only advantage of the boxer engine?

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02-11-2012, 03:47 PM	#1546
spagthorpe Beastly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2002 Location: homeless Oddometer: 13,728	So when are these supposed to hit the shores, next year this time? It seems in casual conversations I've had, some people out there are definitely on the fence. I wonder how it has hurt current sales. I know I wouldn't buy anything right now. As far as the 130hp comments.... Really? You want a bike with less power? It would be awesome to have a bike that can make a pass without needing to get a running start, and also not overheat in stop and go traffic. Of course, if I had to bet, I'd say the liquid cooling probably won't solve that problem. I'm guessing it will be a very small radiator.

02-11-2012, 05:50 PM	#1549
spagthorpe Beastly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2002 Location: homeless Oddometer: 13,728	I agree. I think the bump in horsepower is simply the result of more people using them strictly as road bikes. On the street, more hp is rarely a bad thing. Lets not forget that even with equal hp, how much more does a GS weigh than a MS? I don't expect it would get away from anyone. I'd be fine with lopping 100lbs off the GS, and slapping a 1000RR motor in there. I don't like the GS for it's performance, Iike it because it fits my 6'5" frame better than anything else on the market. The performance I just have to put up with.

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tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles Joined: Aug 2009 Location: Vancouver Oddometer: 1,376

02-12-2012, 05:13 AM	#1555
objectuser Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2011 Oddometer: 216	I personally really like the boxer engine, but have nothing against the K engines. What's the comparative engine weight of a R1200 and a K1300? Do they weigh about the same?

02-12-2012, 06:48 AM	#1556
Jonesky Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2009 Location: Louisville, KY Oddometer: 238	What's the point of it being a boxer if it's water-cooled? Are we just left with a lower cg? Along those same lines the choice between a Triumph Explorer and a BMW GS Boxer then is engine layout, I guess. I really liked the fact it didn't have radiators and fans for LC (other than oil cooler) since it seemed like the things always cooked me in some way. Oh well, we'll have to wait and see as to how it does. I'm thinking there might be a market for a 80 hp traditional boxer GS 800 oil cooled only. Big suspension, no can bus, or ESA, or ASC, (maybe ABS tho, for hypocrisy sake) and very simple with quality components and sell for 14K US. Not like the monster HP2 but simpler, smaller, cheaper. Probably conflicting desires here but it's a fantasy anyway.