The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

[vtbob]

Originally Posted by tallguy-09

...but in 2013 we'll introduce the water cooled boxer because we are BMW and as the leader
of the adventure tourer segment we need as many ponies as the rest of the pack

And if we keep both the air cooled in production, it will be easy to maintain those prices and then ask a substantial premium for the Water head with more HP. A win win for BMW. Take that Triumph, Yamaha!

[ragtoplvr]

Originally Posted by hillbillypolack

Let me quote the email directly:

"The BMW Motorrad design falls under my responsibility and I can assure you, only highly emotional and great looking motorcycles are in the pipeline for the future.Also be rest assured that the air cooled boxer engine will be with us for many years to come."

Seems Peter K was correct after all.

He says engine, you want it attached to a motorcycle? Too bad.

Rod

[hillbillypolack]

Originally Posted by ragtoplvr

He says engine, you want it attached to a motorcycle? Too bad.

Rod

That's funny.

[tallguy-09]

Originally Posted by vtbob

And if we keep both the air cooled in production, it will be easy to maintain those prices and then ask a substantial premium for the Water head with more HP. A win win for BMW. Take that Triumph, Yamaha!

That's what the guy in charge of the Motorrad magazine suggested. The current GS is that good it would be sad
to see it disappear. I think Berlin production capacities would be an issue and not sure about Loncin in China? You'd need another loaction to deal with the "old" boxer engine and assembly and the current facilities to build the LC boxer. Not sure if I would buy old when I can have new?

[Sailorlite]

One way they could continue the 'air cooled' boxer a while longer is to use it only for the RT's, which are already rather highly evolved and have very adequate power. Apart from updating the dash area and adding the fly-by-wire throttle, the RT's need nothing now. The water cooled boxer could be saved for a major update (soon) of the GS/GSA series, similar to the change over from the K1300's to the K1600's. In a few years (or less) they could begin adding the waterboxer to the RT's.

[Big Daddy D]

Yeah, the "water" gets cooled by air, so it's aircooled... Long story short :what:

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[tallguy-09]

Somehow strange nobody incidentally ran into one of these R1250GS LC test mules since December :-)

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by tallguy-09

Somehow strange nobody incidentally ran into one of these R1250GS LC test mules since December :-)

they all overheaated and seized

[isthiscoolenough?]

From what my dealer said, the GS will get the water cooled engine first and then the RT.

If you can go by this, the last production year of a bike there is always Sapphire Black. The '12 GS/A has it and the RT does.
Ken

[MadMike20]

Moto Guzzi went liquid..just a matter of time for all of the other players...

http://www.newscanon.com/moto-guzzi-...iquid-cooling/

[hillbillypolack]

Originally Posted by MadMike20

Moto Guzzi went liquid..just a matter of time for all of the other players...

http://www.newscanon.com/moto-guzzi-...iquid-cooling/

Maybe you can enlighten us on how Ducati and HD will develop their lineup.

My take is that as in Ducati's case, and to a lesser degree, HD, BMW will maintain an air/oil cooled Boxer, perhaps as an addition to their GS line. Their sales numbers are 30% from the GS/GSA alone, so perhaps they're broadening that segment.

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by isthiscoolenough?

From what my dealer said, the GS will get the water cooled engine first and then the RT.

If you can go by this, the last production year of a bike there is always Sapphire Black. The '12 GS/A has it and the RT does.
Ken

So are you saying we're going to see a WC boxer in the next few months? Doubt it.

[tallguy-09]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

So are you saying we're going to see a WC boxer in the next few months? Doubt it.

Proof:

[skyhigh340]

Originally Posted by tallguy-09

Proof:

Now that is good!!!

[MadMike20]

Originally Posted by hillbillypolack

Maybe you can enlighten us on how Ducati and HD will develop their lineup.

My take is that as in Ducati's case, and to a lesser degree, HD, BMW will maintain an air/oil cooled Boxer, perhaps as an addition to their GS line. Their sales numbers are 30% from the GS/GSA alone, so perhaps they're broadening that segment.

Regardless of your take, the ability to meet strict emissions requirements in the future will necessitate liquid cooling. Leaner engines produce less pollution but more heat. It’s all been said before. Harley is in the transitioning phase with the V rod and submitting patents for liquid cooled heads/electric pump for their Sportster line up. Porsche transitioned a while back. It is just a matter of time for the rest to do so. Enlightenment on Sundays only.