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Old 06-25-2012, 07:24 AM   #1861
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HP2s didn't cost any more to make than a GS, though BMW would have you believe otherwise.

They were (IMHO) a way to showcase performance in an upper price range for those willing to pay for it. It seems to me it's a success all the way around, especially since it brought status to BMW as a company with balls enough to DO it, and the bikes are STILL sought after.
I suspect that they were more expensive to produce than the standard models. The HP2 Sport has a lot of very tasty machined components, and carbon fibre bits. But I don't think that it would have been significantly more than an R1200S.

The Sport seems to have gained in popularity in the last year or so. When it was first released it was significantly more expensive than the competition. But BMWs have remained fairly constant in price, at least here in the UK, whilst the Japanese brands and Ducati have appreciated. I was chatting to a dealer last week, and he was saying that there are a fair few people interested in them secondhand.

I'm hoping that a water-cooled version comes along. I'd certainly be very tempted.
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:44 AM   #1862
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I was off, 2010 made. The 700 number was apparently how many made to US spec.
2.910 HP2E were made.

EU 2517 HP2E entre 08/2004 et 08/2006.
chassis ZL00000 ZL02516.

USA 393.
chassis ZL10000 ZL10392.

Seems 1.732 HP2 Megamoto's have been built
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:11 PM   #1863
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2.910 HP2E were made.

EU 2517 HP2E entre 08/2004 et 08/2006.
chassis ZL00000 ZL02516.

USA 393.
chassis ZL10000 ZL10392.

Seems 1.732 HP2 Megamoto's have been built
Thanks, so only 393 for the US? Maybe that is where I got the numbers. Small numbers for any bike, especially with the cost of tooling.

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Old 06-25-2012, 06:26 PM   #1864
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Thanks, so only 393 for the US? Maybe that is where I got the numbers. Small numbers for any bike, especially with the cost of tooling.

Jim

Now take that HP2 frame, (strengthened a bit as the HP2s needed), and begin building a GS around that. Then, a GSA isnt that far off. 'If' BMW worked their planning this way, the HP2 tooling would be a wash. As well as all the bikes being a family of somewhat modular frames and details.

If you spun it around so the HP2s were a lighter factory version of the GS, that'd work too. Then even 393 US units would still be profitable at any price point.
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Old 06-25-2012, 08:28 PM   #1865
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Now take that HP2 frame, (strengthened a bit as the HP2s needed), and begin building a GS around that. Then, a GSA isnt that far off. 'If' BMW worked their planning this way, the HP2 tooling would be a wash. As well as all the bikes being a family of somewhat modular frames and details.

If you spun it around so the HP2s were a lighter factory version of the GS, that'd work too. Then even 393 US units would still be profitable at any price point.
It doesn't work that way. The HP2 has conventional forks designed for long travel and a big front wheel. It also has the air suspension rear shock. Great for long travel, but no so hot for heavy loads and freeway use loaded. Also, neither have the ESA capability.

Though they share some similarities, they are not that close, and have very specific uses that are not very compatible with each other.

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Old 06-27-2012, 04:18 PM   #1866
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Some new pics today.

Looks like the inside of the header pipe bend is pressed right up against the block.
Can that be a good thing?

http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/06/27...3-bmw-r1250gs/

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Old 06-27-2012, 05:00 PM   #1867
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Maybe that helps reduce crash related damage simply by getting it out of the way?


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Some new pics today.

Looks like the inside of the header pipe bend is pressed right up against the block.
Can that be a good thing?

http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/06/27...3-bmw-r1250gs/

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Old 06-27-2012, 05:06 PM   #1868
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The different angle of the second picture in your link shows enough of a gap to me.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:10 PM   #1869
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The picture without the extra tank covering pieces (assuming that is still the tank, might not be) answers some of my "what the hell is that supposed to be" questions. Apparently it was supposed to be a disguise. Does anyone else think that the "center stand" looks like a bolted on contraption to fool nosy eyes?
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:27 PM   #1870
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Anybody what to speculate if the motor, transmission & clutch are going to share a common lubrication system. How about 3 separate oil systems. BMW could sell clutch oil for $40 a quart.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:37 PM   #1871
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Why is the final drive on the left side?
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:51 PM   #1872
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Still looks mostly aircooled to me...
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Old 06-27-2012, 07:21 PM   #1873
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Anybody what to speculate if the motor, transmission & clutch are going to share a common lubrication system. How about 3 separate oil systems. BMW could sell clutch oil for $40 a quart.
Hasn't it been confirmed that the new powertrain will be a more "conventional" oil-bath clutch/trans? I also remember reading that the gearbox was outsourced to a Chinese manufacturer in an effort to make the new GS more cost competitive.
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Old 06-27-2012, 07:22 PM   #1874
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Why is the final drive on the left side?
So they do not have to make two different final drive systems. The K series is on the left.

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Old 06-28-2012, 01:10 AM   #1875
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Anybody what to speculate if the motor, transmission & clutch are going to share a common lubrication system. How about 3 separate oil systems. BMW could sell clutch oil for $40 a quart
I was more thinking of special Boxer type water and radiator fluid sold seperately in a small enough bottle for one bottle to not do the job and 2 being overkill.
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