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Old 10-01-2012, 11:10 PM   #2341
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At last the real deal

128 hp, 238kg , but looks like

http://www.oliepeil.nl/gepeild/3692-...1200gs-lc.html
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Old 10-01-2012, 11:36 PM   #2342
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Look Gents, let's get one thing straight on the eve of this momentous occasion: By almost any objective measure, the new water cooled GS will be better than the last generation, which was designed ten years ago. It may appear fugly (at least at first), evolutionary, and somewhat underwhelming, but,

-It will be faster
-It will get better fuel mileage
-It will stop more quickly
-It will have more effective electronic safety features (better abs, traction control, etc)
-It will be more refined (less clunking, smoother everything, etc)
-It will handle better (less unsprung weight), improved geometry, etc
-It will be more reliable and easier to maintain (changing coolant is a cinch, did it on my old K75 in 20 minutes)

Bottom line: opinions are great, some people will love it and some wont, some will want to buy it while others will claim they will keep their previous gen forever, some will love the styling and some wont, but it will almost certainly be a superior motorcycle by objective measures. Will I get rid of my '09 Adventure? No way. I love it and I doubt that the new generation will be that much better to ride (unless the engine is much smoother, that would force a move). But will I, and most of you, want one in 3 years? Definitely.

I'm ducking. Fire away.

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Sure......opinions are from the eye of the beholder.

I had high hopes but sometimes the next models are not always better........ Yes, the new model will have all the latest bells and whistles while improving the already there bells and whistles but truth be told, the current stuff is a darn good and it doesn't.....

look like it has a Platypus beak
look like they took the side panels and mirrors off the new 2013 F800GS
look like they stole the windscreen and articulation from an RT.
or look like they're using the rims from a Triumph Explorer

And the biggest problem with the new 1225 &1/2GS........it's not PAID OFF like my 1200GS!!
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:22 AM   #2343
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Then it wouldn't be an "R", it would be a "K", and that was done, with fairly poor results.

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Think you missed the point, Jim.

It was about electronic cruise control - still not on the K1200R or S, nor on the R1200R. Where it would be very handy - particularly on the Ks.

But if it is finally on the GS, that's a big step in the right direction, IMO.

It did amaze me that after they offered it on the K1200RS, they dropped it when they went to the S. Not even there as an option. They have it on the RT, but never offered it on the R1200ST, nor (until now) the GS. Why not? It can't add much weight.

I suppose in Germany it is not so much help. Nor in Italy, perhaps. There is a revealing interview at the Ash on Bikes website, where the tech chief for the new Multistrada is asked why it doesn't have cruise control. He says it would have been very easy to add, but the marketing department didn't tell them anybody wanted it. Whereupon the marketing manager confirms hardly anyone wants it, as far as he knows. So it is not a legal or technical hitch, it is just that they think they'd be wasting what little time it would take. And what little space in the PR material.

And maybe they would be. I don't know how heavily they police speed in the US. Over here, where they hide unmanned cameras that record your speed and your photo, and send you a licence suspension in the mail, cruise is a safety aid on the major routes. You can take your eyes off the speedo and look at the road.

So if the new GS has cruise, it moves to the top of my next bike list alongside the Multistrada and Stelvio (which don't have cruise). Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and to my eye that would be a beautiful feature.

(Tho not beautiful enough to get me on to a Triumph. We all have our sticking points. )
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:50 AM   #2344
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Same in NZ regards monitoring of speed, even the tourists get "educated". Cruise control is definitely wanted, and even on here, people have commented that the GS or GSA is preferable to the RT for touring.

Cruise control mucho wanted!
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:00 AM   #2345
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http://www.motociclismo.it/bmw-r-120...013-moto-52785
scusatemi, it's in italian.
  • 5 riding modes: Rain, Road, Dynamic, Enduro, Enduro Pro
  • ride-by-wire
  • tyre size 120/70x19”, 170/60x17”
  • Brembo monoblock
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:07 AM   #2346
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http://hellforleathermagazine.com/20...3-bmw-r1200gs/

What did they do to the dash. :-(
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:17 AM   #2347
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At the show now, Press Release:

The new BMW R 1200 GS.
The world’s most successful travel enduro is perfected.

The “BMW GS” concept has embodied riding pleasure and the desire for adventure for over 30 years. This applies especially to the GS motorcycles with the opposed-twin “boxer” engine. The “big GS” allows motorcyclists to explore the most remote corners of the world - an idea that has already inspired numerous globetrotters to set off on their travels.
But the GS was and still is much more than this. Whether sports-style cornering on winding country roads, excellent travel times due to high motorway speeds, relaxed tours with a passenger or daring rides over rough terrain - every GS has offered supreme mastery of these skills in its respective era and this won’t change with the new version.
It is the unique integrated concept of the big travel enduro bike with boxer engine, complete with authentic charm and a powerful, high-torque engine, which is loved by legions of motorcycle fans all over the world to this day. It is not for nothing that the “big BMW GS” with boxer engine has been the undisputed frontrunner in its market segment for many years and is the
best-seller within the BMW Motorrad model range. BMW is now beginning a whole new chapter in GS history: the most popular travel enduro in the world has been brought to perfection.
The challenge: how to improve even more following nine years
at the top.
Even in its ninth year of production, the current BMW R 1200 GS is still setting the benchmark in its segment in comparative tests with its outstanding overall concept and innovative technology. With over 170,000 units sold,
it is the most successful and top-selling travel enduro in the world.
So the challenge facing the BMW Motorrad development department was considerable: to further optimise the GS - an icon of three decades - improve it in all areas and equip it with innovative technical solutions to ensure it is in good shape for the future.
The development goals of the new BMW R 1200 GS:
• Further increase performance overall - without neglecting its
well-established virtues.
• Perfect its touring suitability.
• Increase off-road suitability.
• Achieve superior figures within the travel enduro segment and beyond in terms of engine and riding performance.
• Ensure preparation for the future in terms of noise and exhaust emissions.
• Suspension with top handling, optimum traction and increased off-road performance.
• Increase active and passive safety.
• Unmistakable BMW Motorrad design in typical GS style.
• Top quality as is characteristic of BMW Motorrad.
Newly designed air/water-cooled boxer engine with vertical through-flow, integrated gearbox and left-hand cardan shaft drive.
Geared towards the above goals, the entire R 1200 GS was completely redefined, particularly the drive concept.
The performance aspired to, as well as adherence to future anticipated requirements in terms of noise and exhaust emissions, is ensured among other things by a change in the cooling system. The boxer engine in the new R 1200 GS continues to use air/liquid cooling, however, the coolant oil has been replaced by a glycol-water mixture. This ensures a high level of heat absorption capacity of the cooling liquid for more efficient heat dissipation.
So-called precision cooling (a principle similar to that used in Formula 1) involves only those engine elements being cooled with coolant, which are particularly exposed to thermal stress. The engine still continues to use air cooling, thereby preserving the characteristic appearance of the opposed twin boxer engine. The two radiators are small and inconspicuously integrated.
The through-flow is now vertical instead of horizontal for improved filling, and the engine housing integrates the 6-speed gearbox as well as a wet clutch with anti-hopping function instead of the dry clutch as was used previously. What is more, the secondary drive now runs via the well-established cardan shaft on the left-hand side. With an output of 92 kW (125 bhp) at 7700 rpm and 125 Nm at 6500 rpm, the new engine offers superior power and performance in the travel enduro segment and beyond.
The empty weight (ready for the road) according to DIN of the R 1200 GS is 238 kg including standard BMW Motorrad Integral ABS.
E-gas and cruise control.
An electromotive throttle actuator is now used for the first time in a GS motorcycle. Here, rider commands are passed on directly by the sensor in the accelerator twist grip to the engine control system; this then regulates the throttle valve electronically. The use of the E-gas system provides a significant improvement in terms of controllability and response. What is more, the rider can adapt engine characteristics to the situation on the road by means of five modes (optional extra). It was also possible to include an electronic cruise control function (optional extra).
ASC and riding modes as an optional extra: five freely selectable modes - “Rain”, “Road”, “Dynamic”, “Enduro” and “Enduro Pro”.
For optimum adaptation to the rider’s individual needs and purpose, the new R 1200 GS now offers five freely selectable riding modes for the first time: these are an ex works option and feature three different E-gas settings and with varying engine characteristics. Linked to this is Automatic Stability Control ASC with a special enduro configuration. If this option is chosen, BMW Motorrad ABS, ASC and - if installed - the semiactive suspension are all adapted to the respectiveprofiles of these five modes
Semiactive suspension: BMW Motorrad Dynamic ESA for optimum riding dynamics in every situation as an ex works option.
The new semiactive suspension BMW Motorrad Dynamic ESA (Electronic Suspension Adjustment) taps into a whole new range of possibilities as well as providing maximum riding safety and performance. Dynamic ESA monitors the vertical movement of front and rear wheel control as well as other parameters by means of a spring travel sensor in each position, and adapts the damping automatically to the situation depending on riding conditions and the manoeuvres being carried out. Damping adjustment at front and rear is effected by means of electrically controlled regulation valves.
New chassis with tubular steel bridge frame and specially adapted wheel/tyre dimensions of 120/70 R19 at front and 170/60 R17 at rear as a world first.
The chassis of the R 1200 GS uses a completely newly developed tubular all-steel bridge frame with a bolt-on rear frame. Along with the newly designed Telelever at the front and the EVO Paralever at the rear, this has resulted in a further significant increase in torsional stiffness and hence ride stability and steering precision. Optimised handling qualities are the result of refined master geometric chassis data, and a longer swingarm provides further improved traction - especially when riding over rough terrain.
A globally unique feature of the new R 1200 GS are the tyres in the sizes 120/70 R19 at the front and 170/60 R17 at the rear, specially adapted to improve performance.
Revised brake system with radially mounted Brembo Monobloc brake calipers and BMW Motorrad Integral ABS as standard.
The brake system of the R 1200 GS has been extensively revised, too. There are now radially mounted Brembo Monobloc brake calipers at the front and a larger brake disc at the rear.
In line with the BMW Motorrad principle “Safety 360°” the new GS is also fitted as standard with the BMW Motorrad ABS, here in the part integral version.
The first motorcycle in the world with LED main headlight including integrated daytime running light for even greater safety when riding during the day and at night as an ex works option.
Even in its standard trim the new R 1200 GS has a main headlight with optimised light efficiency. In order to be seen even better during the day, BMW Motorrad also offers a daytime running light as an ex works option. For excellent road illumination and therefore even greater safety both day and night, an LED main headlight with integrated daytime running light is fitted in a motorcycle for the first time ever. It comprises innovative LED technology with a sophisticated cooling and decondensation concept.
Electrical system with new vehicle power supply and
Multi-Controller for the BMW Motorrad Navigator IV.
The new R 1200 GS has the innovative new vehicle power system with altered function partitioning as already used in the 6-cylinder models
K 1600 GT and GTL. As before, CAN bus (Controller Area Network) and LIN bus technology (Local Interconnect Network) enables significantly reduced wiring as compared to a conventional system. The previous central vehicle electronics has been partitioned into two separate control units.
The Multi-Controller, newly available for the GS, allows fast and convenient operation of the BMW Motorrad Navigator IV. It is located on the inside of the handlebar grip. This means that selecting functions is much less distracting than pressing buttons and does not require hands to be removed from the handlebars.
Aerodynamically optimised windshield with one-hand operation and optimum ergonomics.
The newly developed windshield of the R 1200 GS offers further improved wind and weather protection while also reducing wind noise. Adjustment is simple: an easily accessible and ergonomically optimised selection wheel is operated using one hand.
The new R 1200 GS has extended adjustment options for optimum seating comfort. The rider’s seat can now be adjusted in height and tilt angle and the passenger seat can be shifted longitudinally to obtain the ideal distance between rider and passenger. The new handlebars can easily be turned upwards and, together with the optimised knee grip in the fuel tank area, they ensure an even better standing position for off-road riding. The improved knee grip can be clearly felt when seated, too. A high and a low seat, as well as an adjustable footrest system and adjustable foot controls, round off the program of special accessories offering individual adjustment facilities.
An overview of highlights of the new BMW R 1200 GS.
• Completely newly designed engine for top-level riding dynamics within the travel enduro segment.
• Capacity 1170 cc, rated output 92 kW (125 bhp) at 7700 rpm and a maximum torque of 125 Nm at 6500 rpm.
• Cylinder heads with vertical through-flow for increased efficiency and performance.
• Compact air/water cooling for optimum heat management.
• Basic engine with compact, light and yet rigidity-optimised crankshaft.
• Vertically separated case in open deck construction.
• 6-speed gearbox integrated in engine housing, including wet clutch with anti-hopping function and reduced lever operation force.
• New intake system for optimum output and torque with 52 mm throttle valve diameter.
• E-gas for improved ridability, running smoothness and special functions.
• Innovative exhaust gas system with electronically controlled exhaust flap for optimum performance characteristics and an earthy boxer sound.
• Freely selectable riding modes “Rain”, “Road”, “Dynamic”, “Enduro” and “Enduro Pro” with three different electromotive throttle actuator settings in conjunction with ASC (Automatic Stability Control), ABS and ASC settings for off-road riding as well as different mode-specific Dynamic ESA settings (option ex works).
• New suspension with torsionally stiff tubular steel bridge frame and bolt-on rear frame.
• Optimised lightweight cardan shaft drive now running on the left-hand side.
• Newly developed and optimised Telelever at front and EVO Paralever at rear for an even more precise ride feel.
• Refined master chassis geometry data and long swingarm for excellent traction.
• Optimised seating width and position, and adjustable handlebars for even greater comfort.
• Optimised ground reach for rider (inner leg length).
• Tyre/wheel dimensions of 120/70 R19 at front and 170/60 R17 at rear as a world first, tailored specially to the R 1200 GS.
• Revised BMW Motorrad brake system with radially mounted Brembo Monobloc brake calipers at front and 2-piston floating caliper with enlarged brake disc at rear (Ø 276mm, previously 265mm).
• BMW Motorrad Integral ABS as standard.
• Semiactive suspension Dynamic ESA (ex works option).
• Main headlight with optimised light efficiency and LED daytime running light (ex works option).
• World’s first motorcycle with LED main headlight featuring integrated daytime running light (ex works option).
• New vehicle electrical system with partitioning of functions.
• Extended electric switch units.
• Electronic cruise control (ex works option).
• Preparation for navigation unit with Multi-Controller to operate the
BMW Motorrad Navigator IV (ex works option).
• Windshield with one-hand operation for excellent wind and weather protection.
• Seat with multiple adjustment functions for perfect ergonomics.
• Number plate carriers quick to dismount for off-road riding.
• Increased ground clearance (+ 8 mm)
• New instrument cluster with on-board computer as standard. PRO on-board computer as an option.
• Four main paint finishes to choose from:
Alpine White, Racing Red, Blue Fire and Thunder Grey Metallic.
· Extensive range of special accessories and rider equipment.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:20 AM   #2348
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I'm lovin' it!

To think, I nearly bought the Triumph!
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:29 AM   #2349
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http://hellforleathermagazine.com/20...00gs/?gal=1#/0

fixed the link

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Old 10-02-2012, 02:34 AM   #2350
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• World’s first motorcycle with LED main headlight featuring integrated daytime running light (ex works option).
Good to see BMW following in Harley's footsteps and offering an LED headlight.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:34 AM   #2351
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I'm liking it also!

Sounds like its been "optimised" from the blurb
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:41 AM   #2352
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Meh. I'm not really impressed. I have a feeling the actual riding impressions will likely be greater than the numbers suggest, but based on the numbers alone I can't say I'm impressed.

Also, Anakee 3 tires? They don't look like they'd channel water away at all. I wonder if those are real tires or pre-production things not to be used by the public?
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:42 AM   #2353
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:54 AM   #2354
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I quite like the look of the new GS, but am waiting to see if an R or S model follows next year. Not really too many surprises, though I thought that power output might be up slightly more than it is. No news on fuel economy yet though.

Hell for Leather seem to be obsessing over the 9 kg / 20 lbs gain. Bear in mind that the quoted weight for a GS is in the poverty spec, with no goodies, whereas the new bike comes with ABS as standard, and I think that a fair chunk of it could be accounted for here. The Honda Combined ABS system added 10 kg / 22 lbs to a CBR 600, though I believe newer systems are lighter.

Even so, an old thread says Motorcyclist magazine weighed a GS at 247 kg / 544 lbs. There's a thread at Ash on Bikes that corroborates this figure (242 kg / 533 lbs is mentioned).

Our very own insider, Das Matti, claimed the weight was unchanged. If BMW are being more honest about how heavy the bikes are then that might explain the apparent discrepancy.

Besides, given the frequency that Hell for Leather's contributors seem to have big offs, I doubt that they could ride well enough to notice.
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Old 10-02-2012, 03:01 AM   #2355
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The weight difference is less than 5%. Besides, you don't ride the spec sheet, perhaps whatever weight difference is shifted lower in the bike.

Do the pictures indicate the clutch is serviceable from the front without having to split the bike in half?
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