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Old 10-03-2012, 06:03 AM   #2581
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Owning both a K16 (our bike), and a GSA (my bike) I can tell you that ride by wire, and slipper clutch are sensitive beasts and took a fair spell to get used to. I admit that the K16 is a two wheeled rocket ship, but I'm a bit concerned about how this girl will go off road. I'm sure it will be fine, but I also expect a fair learning curve, of course the 35+ HP difference may make it a non issue, only a test ride will tell. The other concern I have is the water pump, as they have been dropping like flies on the K16s, a good number of owners are on their second or third pump (myself included). Id like to think they have this sorted out, but the reports I'm getting on that forum lead me to believe it is not. BMW has been very god about replacing the pump, but that does not get you your time back. On the K16 the different TC settings make a huge difference, and I'm sure they will here as well. It is likely that one of the enduro settings cuts HP way down to give you a creeper gear. I'm not sold on the looks, but the only looks I really concern myself with are the ones over the bars. My initial impression is that this is really a hybrid between the K16, and the GS. Not a bad mix. I'm gonna test ride at the first convenient opportunity, but in the end I think I'll hold on to the 08 for a bit, and let it get beta tested before I buy. There is a lot to be said for the old tried and true oil/cam heads.

Besides the flea market is about to explode with farkles from those stepping into a new beast.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:28 AM   #2582
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The cylinder fins seem to be coarser than the air cooled version AND there are no fins on the rear of the jug. No real reason to have them as that is the chain tunnel.

The lower output alternator might be due to LED lights (the video seems to show LED headlights)?

Radial Disc Brakes

Sach suspension. Also of note but not BMW, the Ducati Multistrada S now comes with Sach suspension. I guess they have stepped up the quality to compete with Ohlins?

The shrouds for the radiators are providing additional air flow.

Now the question I have is how will the heat be handled? The airhead, oil head and hex head I have owned were pretty good about heat (except for the Oilhead Cat heating up your heal!). They all did an admirable job of keeping your feet from freezing in the winter.

I like it! But I'm not running out just yet to trade for my 2012

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Old 10-03-2012, 06:36 AM   #2583
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Like I said from the get-go,the clutch sits in front of the engine behind the front engine cover;a big plus when it comes to maintenance...
Wrong . The clutch is at the back of the engine, just above the transmission.

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I don't see many sales of Crosstourer,Explorer,Stelvio or Tenere' in 2013.
As for 25 hp more in new KTM 1190 or MS 1200 you can use sunday mornings 6:30 on german autobahns going 150 instead of 140 mph;I'd rather have the clean driveshaft...
The more things change,the more they stay the same !
Wrong again.. not everyone is a kool-aid drinker, not everyone has $20K plus to spend on one, not everyone wants to be a beta tester for BMW.

Honda USA / Honda Canada are making a big mistake by not bringing the Crosstourer here. Maybe it's just me, but when I'm on cross continent tours, I don't like to spend some or all of my vacation time dealing with mechanical breakdowns due to faulty design or parts.. DAMHIK..
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:36 AM   #2584
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Shows the controls from 4:30 on and the adjustable shield from 6:00

I got to say, that after watching this video I am becoming more impressed with the new GS. But my guess is that you won't be able to get one for less than 20K. Time to start saving for the 2nd or 3rd model year when all the bugs are worked out.

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Old 10-03-2012, 06:50 AM   #2585
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The lower output alternator might be due to LED lights (the video seems to show LED headlights)?
LED headlights are optional. At any rate, the big energy consumers are add on lights and heated gear.. The new gen of add on lights are are LED now, so heated gear is the big draw, although newer ones are much more efficient. So, 700 or 900 watt alternator isn't really needed, it saps engine power.

p.s. GPS, radar detector, XM radio, etc.. have minimal draw.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:55 AM   #2586
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Wrong . The clutch is at the back of the engine, just above the transmission
No it isn't its under the front cover go look at the pictures and the blurb. It's the alternator that is at the back above the transmission.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:00 AM   #2587
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No it isn't its under the front cover go look at the pictures and the blurb. It's the alternator that is at the back above the transmission.
Really??? Can you post a pic please?
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:01 AM   #2588
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Not to split HAIRS/ or HARES with you, but perhaps the sub group could be more accurately called:
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"SPorky Pigs"???
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:10 AM   #2589
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Wow! That's what the spork nose is for.. for carrying tiny women in high heels!!


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Old 10-03-2012, 07:17 AM   #2590
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Really??? Can you post a pic please?
Rick, I don't want to embed because it is so big,but here's one: http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8169/...ec6300df_o.jpg
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:18 AM   #2591
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No it isn't its under the front cover go look at the pictures and the blurb. It's the alternator that is at the back above the transmission.
So the alt is on the trans & the clutch is at the front.

That isnt logical
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:25 AM   #2592
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Wet multiplate clutch is an excellent move for reliability, even though it will require more frequent oil changes.
You'd think so.

I still do 6k oil changes, per BMW - not.sure.why the assertion oil changes should be more frequent, that's what the oil filter is for. BUT! - no more Mobil 1 (speaking of.oil threads) since.it.doesn't have friction modifiers needed for the wet clutch. And one does NOT want to put new.plates in this clutch (ka-ching!) from.ruining them.with the wrong oil.

The wedge.motor wet clutch (k12/13) is very spendy, parts alone north of $1600, and some folks seem to run theirs pretty hard, requiring.frequent replacements. I'm at 64k miles and.am not looking forward.to replacing it when.it.wears.out.

At 76k on my dry clutch KRS, the disc showed little wear when the rear main seal let go. At the 56k interval I had.a cam chain jump guard installed on this bike, requiring.pulling the clutch -, this one will not last as long as the dry disc did for.me... YMMV.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:31 AM   #2593
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:36 AM   #2594
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There's the.clutch!

So... still have to.do.spline lubes?
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