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Old 10-03-2012, 10:28 AM   #2656
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I don't see Honda bringinging over the CrossTourer because it is too heavy to compete and it is just as fast as the current aircooled GS...
The GS is definately king of the shafties !
The new KTM 1190 will have 150hp so beat it on Vmax on the autobahn but for the dirt it is still way too heavy to be a real dirtbike...
As for the road looking at the picture of the BMW testrider the new GS tire sizes will give a bigger footprint to be able to hang with the MS on twisty pavement and still give the bigger stability of a 19' front-wheel on unpaved fireroads...
The new GS is the new benchmark for sure !
The can almost feel sorry for the competition...
The only question remains,will it be glitch-free right from the get-go or does it need a few years to ripen to the reliability of the current aircooled 1200 boxers ?
@ RL Lemke
Do you have any pictures of the crankshaft ?
Does it have a "mittel-lager";2 or 3 crankshaft bearings ?
Man I have to stop now otherwise I will be one of the volunteers/beta-testers come spring next year...
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:28 AM   #2657
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The top-case can be used (i think), but since the exhaust have changed side, the sideboxes not.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:37 AM   #2658
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Do you have any pictures of the crankshaft ?
Does it have a "mittel-lager";2 or 3 crankshaft bearings ?
You have seen most of what I have to offer. Let me look for more engine photos. Does the press release answer your questions?

This is as close as the photos get to answering the bearing question.

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Old 10-03-2012, 10:42 AM   #2659
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Actually, this bike i aimed to be MORE offroad than the previous version.
Not sure with the wider tires and steeper head tube angle....
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:46 AM   #2660
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Does anyone know if the vario cases from 2005+ can be used on this bike?
Uh... no. Exhaust has switched sides.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:49 AM   #2661
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It works for me assuming the alternator is reliable. Looks like it is permenant magnet so no brushes to wear out. It will have a separate external diode pack so the only thing left to break are bearings if there are any and they could be oil fed from the box. Clutch on the other hand is a consumable part so will at some point need replaced which is a real pain on the current bike.
What I haven't seen anywhere is the starter motor. The only stuff I have seen mentioning it is the blurb about how the exhaust valves have auto decompressors making the engine easier to start so a smaller starter is needed. It will be there somewhere just I haven't spotted it.
The stator alternators on the F800s have been extremely unreliable unfortunately...not sure how similiar this is to those.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:51 AM   #2662
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Wide North American DOT compliant turn signals.
I wish BMW would simply give us the nice EUR LED's...




Even the standard ones with shorter length look better to me...


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Old 10-03-2012, 10:52 AM   #2663
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The new KTM is the new benchmark for sure !
The can almost feel sorry for the competition...
fixed!
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:59 AM   #2664
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I still say if you want handling to the be the first and foremost selling point, you need to look at the Multistrada. I'll take my GSA over it any day for long-haul comfort, two-up capability, ability to handle all sorts of camping equipment, etc.

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Well said TB, and what i've been saying for some while now. What i personally can't decide is if i want to keep my Multi for the canyon fun it provides, add yet another air-cooled GS to have a great pair of uprights, or discard the MTS12s when the '13 GS arrives. I think it's going to be a much better blend of motorcycle than the current GS ESPECIALLY in road riding terms.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:00 AM   #2665
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Thanks RL Lemke !
No mittel-lager...
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:04 AM   #2666
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Congratulations BMW!!!!!! In my opinion, ya did a fantastic job and hit the mark with great improvements on the new WC GS - I want one!!. Also, I love that you didn't go crazy with "unnecessary" increases in HP (125 HP, should be "perfect" for real world riding - any more is overkill) and didn't follow the crowd that's been following & copying the GS. Heck, the new WC is even good looking, which is great for all the posers out there, who's main concerns are "typically" just looks/followed by how much HP they have, which 80% never use anyway (we all know the type).

BMW thanks again for doing what appears to be a fantastic job on the WC!!!!! But be prepared, there will be many out there who will bitch and groan and try and find fault with the WC, because thats what happens when you put "pearls before swine".

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Old 10-03-2012, 11:06 AM   #2667
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The new KTM 1190 will have 150hp so beat it on Vmax on the autobahn but for the dirt it is still way too heavy to be a real dirtbike...

Sorry but I have to ask, where are you getting this info?

From what I've seen it's 513 pounds wet.

So it's lighter and more powerfule than the new GS.

Unless what you are saying is the new GS is to big for dirt?
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:09 AM   #2668
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mousitsas,25 hp on top give you maybe 10 mph more top speed.
In 99% of all riding situations totally irrelevant.
But a clean drive-shaft is essential for this type of motorcycle.
And for the dirt the KTM is lighter than the new GS but still way too big & heavy for being a real dirtbike...
If the new KTM had a driveshaft you might have had a point...
Now go back to work you greek-slacker;Wall-Street wants your blood...
I'll bet next generation KTM or MS will have the shaftdrive,too !
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:12 AM   #2669
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twin sp.plugs or single

Has anyone noticed if the 13 is a single plug head?

& how did they manage to get the overall engine width narrower?
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:14 AM   #2670
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If you consider "weight" as the ennemy, more kg is not the way to go...
but the ratio power/weight is good.

Consider the new model WC being +9 kg from the actual DOHC one
(also in wet weight)

HP2E : 105 hp/175 kg ==> 0,60 hp/kg
WC....: 125 hp/212 kg ==> 0,59 hp/kg
DOHC : 110 hp/203 kg ==> 0,54 hp/kg
The BMW USA website shows a 9 pound (not kg) difference in wet weight between the waterhead and camhead...there was a previous post on this with the actual numbers.
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