The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

[tallguy-09]

As long as I can use my small EUR-LED turn signals from the 2010 and don't have to get used to these awful long things

Originally Posted by Marki_GSA

The LED lights are an option so what happens if you don't have that option? There are three headlight options. Similar to what we have, the same but with an LED day light and the full LED light. There are already rumours that the US can't have the LED lights.

[Gezerbike]

Originally Posted by WindSailor

After reading this thread for awhile now, this too is my only real concern. The move to LED's can be part of the argument, but not all of it. All 'newer' electronic 'in general' equipment draw less amperage than their predecessors - but some things like heated gear pretty much stay constant.

If I added up all the electrical stuff up for the wife and I when we are two up (in cold weather), using heated gear -top and bottoms-, going to heated seats, gps, extra lights etc. etc. we're close to 40 amps which is 560 watts total.
Doesn't take an engineer to figure that one out.

We're both older and like to stay warm, and I sincerely plan to stay the path on that one.

I thought I read where the new alternator is only rated for 580 watts.

OUCH !!!!!

They really missed the boat on this one. But then again sometimes they have a hard time getting out of their own back yard.

So........ BMW is now telling me that I should leave my wife home from now on....?
That won't necessarily go over to well...

This day and age I would expect alternators to be more compact, efficient and more powerful than before. MAYBE they'll come up with an upgrade kit to a higher rated alternator as an alternative.

Other than that this overall bike upgrade is simply massive.

I love pretty much all that they have done - they have gone in the right direction on a lot of things.

BUT

If I can't have creature comforts when I'm traveling (which safety and comfort are 1 and 2) when it's sometimes cold out - then make no mistake I'll jump the fence and go visit the neighbor and ride his bike. Nufff said.

Not to worry. No electrics will be needed for the heated gear I am busy working on right now in the Geerage. You will simply plug in several quick disconnects into the water cooling system and warm water will be circulated thru a miles worth of plastic tubing inside the gear. And for your passenger, so you don't have to leave her at home, she will simply plug her outfit into yours. You guys will be like additional little radiators. Heck, in colder climates, you might be able to get rid of the radiator and those stupid looking little shroud things all together. Weight savings, better aerodynamics and warmth all in one. Stay tuned.

[Midnullarbor]

Wow, Tallguy-09 . . . can that wind tunnel photo really be showing the width across turn signals of 3m!

Perhaps that measurement was taken with a 3M tape(measure) which needs recalibration.

[kbasa]

Originally Posted by JimVonBaden

I have a first year R1200ST, and had a first year R1200GS. Both fine bikes well over 50Kmiles.

Jim

PS I also had a first year (Beta)1994 R1100RS, well past 70K miles with only one issue, not related to being a Beta.

Same experience with us.

05 GS and RT
93.5 R11RS
01 R1150R
99 R11S

Never had any issues with any of them.

[kbasa]

Originally Posted by Sltx1050

The USA will get cruise, but may not get LED Headlight due to retarded US regulations

Higher level Panigales have them, as do several cars.

[Beemerlover]

[QUOTE=EJ_92606;19754998]Here is what I read and I don't recall any reference to HID. The first motorcycle in the world with LED main headlight including integrated daytime running light for even greater safety when riding during the day and at night as an ex works option.



Uh, the Ducati Panigale S had LED headlights (standard, not optional) starting in 2012. Maybe the the Beemerco is spinning that statement to include the daytime running light. That's the only way that it would be true. Although the Duc also has its headlight on all the time and it's an LED - so as far as I can tell that statement is total BS. On the other hand, it's possible that they just didn't know about the Ducs.

[tallguy-09]

Hey, I'm German so pretty much a "detail-guy", didn't want to write something like 95.35mm, haha.
It lotally doesn't matter on the GS I guess.

Originally Posted by Midnullarbor

Wow, Tallguy-09 . . . can that wind tunnel photo really be showing the width across turn signals of 3m!

Perhaps that measurement was taken with a 3M tape(measure) which needs recalibration.

[EJ_92606]

[QUOTE=Beemerlover;19757618]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

Here is what I read and I don't recall any reference to HID. The first motorcycle in the world with LED main headlight including integrated daytime running light for even greater safety when riding during the day and at night as an ex works option.



Uh, the Ducati Panigale S had LED headlights (standard, not optional) starting in 2012. Maybe the the Beemerco is spinning that statement to include the daytime running light. That's the only way that it would be true. Although the Duc also has its headlight on all the time and it's an LED - so as far as I can tell that statement is total BS. On the other hand, it's possible that they just didn't know about the Ducs.

headlight on all the time is not quite the same as 'integrated daytime running light'. So I call BS on your BS ;-)

[sbrownn]

Originally Posted by Voluhzia

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"An alternator that big could be a significant drain on an engine, but Triumph's is an externally excited type that produces only as much power as is required, where most produce full power all the time, most of which is then dumped as waste heat. It even has a freewheeling decoupler so when the engine slows rapidly, the alternator isn't also forced to..."


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The voltage regulator turns the field current on and off so the alternator cycles between doing nothing and producing current. The alternator does not run at full power all of the time and the excess is not dumped off as waste heat.

[sbrownn]

If the Multi had shaft drive and I could rest assured it was reliable, I would buy it over the GS if only for the cost savings. But I also like its looks, sporty feeling and hp.
How much is this thing (GS) going to cost? It looks like everything is an add on and my bet is that it will be an add on to 20k, which gets you everything in the Multi. Is this thing going to cost 28k for everything the Multi has for 20?

[Gezerbike]

Not that I would be in the market for this bike ( love my 1100 too much to get rid of it ) , but I can't help but wonder why BMW did not mount the radiators like Honda did with the VFR and the Super Hawk. Seems like it would have tucked them in more to the bodywork, made them less obtrusive and less prone to off road damage and made it easier to put a set of crash bars around them. Could it be that BMW is reading the magazines and building their new off road bike a little less off roadable and more streetbike, like the new Triumph ?

[Emoto]

Originally Posted by radon222

Hey,

I just realized that they finally moved the oil sight glass to the same side of the bike as the oil fill!

You're not the first person to say that in this thread. It confuses me, though. My hexhead R1200GS has the sight glass and the fill on the same side. So did my oilhead R1100RS. What am I missing here?

[paladinwest]

The camheads moved the location of the oil fill to the right head cover but left the oil sight glass on the left.

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by Adventurrer

If the Multi had shaft drive and I could rest assured it was reliable, I would buy it over the GS if only for the cost savings. But I also like its looks, sporty feeling and hp.
How much is this thing (GS) going to cost? It looks like everything is an add on and my bet is that it will be an add on to 20k, which gets you everything in the Multi. Is this thing going to cost 28k for everything the Multi has for 20?

28K how did you come up with that?

[NoobIAm]

I had posted earlier regarding having read that the LED was only for daytime running lights, with HID being the main light. I was wrong about the HID… it's halogen, according to this blurb on webbike.com:

Seeing and being seen as well as possible - these are crucial factors on which the safety and therefore fun of motorcycling depend. This is why BMW Motorrad also dedicated intense efforts to the development of a new lighting unit for the R 1200 GS.

The new standard halogen headlight is not only considerably smaller than the previous one. In terms of road illumination, too, it offers top-level lighting technology for both low and high beam. Intensive tests in the BMW Group lighting tunnel have generated light levels which - given the same light emission area - achieve significantly better results in terms of perceptibility and vision for night riding as compared to the competition.

BMW Motorrad offers an additional daytime running light with LED technology as an ex works option. The unit consists of four LED modules and is integrated underneath the main halogen headlight. The daytime running light allows other road users to differentiate the motorcycle much more clearly, thereby offering a huge safety benefit. What is more, the use of LED technology means a lower level of energy consumption and an extended lifetime.

The daytime running light is switched on either automatically via a light sensor or manually instead of the main headlight using the "Daytime running light" switch. When darkness falls or when entering a tunnel, there is an automatic switchover to the halogen main headlight, providing optimum road illumination to ensure excellent visibility.

So, the question remains as to whether or not there is an LED high or low beam available as an option.