The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

[dmac57]

Originally Posted by tallguy-09

Cooling problems is a large challenge of LED car lights.

HoLEE crap, batman! tallguy-09 FTW!

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

Embrace the future!

That's what they said about the "permanent" FD oil fill.

[tallguy-09]

Originally Posted by dmac57

HoLEE crap, batman! tallguy-09 FTW!




That's what they said about the "permanent" FD oil fill.

Next version will have oil then water cooled LED lights, haha

[MadOne]

New guy here looking for my first r1200 and I have been waiting since 2011 for this one... Is there any word on an Adventure model release?

[JoeDuck]

Originally Posted by cug

Na ... it opens a new class of bikes: Sporkbikes.

Would a sporkbike find it's native habitat to be KFC rather than Starbucks?

[dmac57]

Originally Posted by MadOne

New guy here looking for my first r1200 and I have been waiting since 2011 for this one... Is there any word on an Adventure model release?

[cug]

Originally Posted by JoeDuck

Would a sporkbike find it's native habitat to be KFC rather than Starbucks?

I hope not. I don't like fried chicken that much ... but I do like a good coffee and Starbucks isn't too bad.

[Moronic]

Occurred to me to look into what BMW has done with the transmission ratios.

Using the ratios at this link for the 2008 bike (changed apparently from the original 04/05), and taking it that the 2012 has stuck with the 2008 spec, it looks like the 2013 bike is geared about 5 per cent taller overall in top gear.

You would hope for a taller high gear to take advantage of the claimed extra torque through the range and crisper response (at least I would). Nice.

The change comes from a taller primary drive ratio - 1:1.65, up from 1:1.74 - with unchanged top-gear and final drive ratios.

To compensate for the taller primary, they have lowered first gear, but only by half as much. They have also lowered second, by the full five per cent.

Third is the same ratio internally for both models.

Fourth on the 2013 is marginally taller internally (about half of one percent), whereas fifth is marginally shorter.

That's by my somewhat shaky reckoning. You can find the 2013 ratios at the bottom of this post here, quoting the press kit.

Overall then, compared with the model it replaces, it looks as though the new water boxer will have a 2.5 per cent taller first gear, same second gear, and a significantly bigger jump to third, with third-sixth all about 5 percent taller than before.

However, fourth has been moved a little further away from third, and fifth brought back towards fourth.

How will it all work? Insight from owners of recent models welcome.

[MadOne]

Originally Posted by dmac57

So you're saying there is a release date?

Ducati's presently... I have no desire for another dry clutch.

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by Moronic

Occurred to me to look into what BMW has done with the transmission ratios.

Using the ratios at this link for the 2008 bike (changed apparently from the original 04/05), and taking it that the 2012 has stuck with the 2008 spec, it looks like the 2013 bike is geared about 5 per cent taller overall in top gear.

You would hope for a taller high gear to take advantage of the claimed extra torque through the range and crisper response (at least I would). Nice.

The change comes from a taller primary drive ratio - 1:1.65, up from 1:1.74 - with unchanged top-gear and final drive ratios.

To compensate for the taller primary, they have lowered first gear, but only by half as much. They have also lowered second, by the full five per cent.

Third is the same ratio internally for both models.

Fourth on the 2013 is marginally taller internally (about half of one percent), whereas fifth is marginally shorter.

That's by my somewhat shaky reckoning. You can find the 2013 ratios at the bottom of this post here, quoting the press kit.

Overall then, compared with the model it replaces, it looks as though the new water boxer will have a 2.5 per cent taller first gear, same second gear, and a significantly bigger jump to third, with third-sixth all about 5 percent taller than before.

However, fourth has been moved a little further away from third, and fifth brought back towards fourth.

How will it all work? Insight from owners of recent models welcome.

Good info, but your comments about first gear seem contradictory saying they lowered first gear, which would be great, but then later you say 2.5 percent taller first gear?

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by MadOne

So you're saying there is a release date?

Ducati's presently... I have no desire for another dry clutch.

No release date, but adventure model is always at least a year after GS, so given that GS won't be out until March/April at the earliest, you can expect at least a year from then. The current model adventure will remain in production.

[Moronic]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

Good info, but your comments about first gear seem contradictory saying they lowered first gear, which would be great, but then later you say 2.5 percent taller first gear?

The primary drive is about 5 per cent taller. The final drive is the same. If the internal ratios were unchanged, then every gear would be 5 per cent taller.

However, they have lowered the internal ratio for first about 2.5 per cent. (and changed others, as above). That compensates for the taller primary, but not fully. Hence, overall, it looks like first gear on the new bikes will be taller than on the old.

My guess: they think that would be nicer for street riding, and hope that the multi-plate wet clutch and better low-speed running will make up for it in the dirt.

[rattis]

It's incredible how many luddites lurk on this thread totally against any- and everything new!
If you don't want to buy or embrace new thechnology so be it.
Get a bicycle with a dynamo and pedal away happy in the knowledge that some new invention won't hinder your progress, or maybe just to be sure, dump the bike and walk barefoot and naked, then there won't be any man made inventions to hinder your life.
Get a life, noone gives a rats ....

[MoxNix]

Luddites rejecting LEDs on a bike w/ an engine designed in 1923.

[inigomontoya]You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.[/inigomontoya]

Not a fan of the look, but I really like this color-

[Gezerbike]

Maybe their comments are based not on wanting or rejecting something new, but from past experience ? BMWs' track record on new bikes has not been exactly stellar in the last decade. As electonics and technolgy add additional costs, to to keep costs down, they have to skimp somewhere. Did you notice that when the hexhead came out, they did not have the nice integrated switch gear the oilheads had ? Or that there no longer was the plastic cover over the starter ?

From the sounds of it, you don't have a Skant K 1200GT in your garage. In 3 years of production, 2 different cam chain tensioners ( but if you have 12,000 + miles, don't install the upgraded model, unless you change the cam chain and rails, all at YOUR costs ). At least 2 different clutch designs. 2 different locations for the drain plug for the rear drive ( which originally was designed to never be changed ). ABS pump motors that fail ( and cost $ 2,000 to replace ). The list goes on, but these were the major ones. Oh, on my 07 GT, whcih to date has not suffered any major issues other than the cam chain rattling on some start ups, which my service manager says to never turn bike off while it is rattling ) BMW decided to discontinue the manufacturing of the side panels of the fairing. If I need a new side fairing, for whatever reason, I will have to get the K 1300GT panel for the side that neeeds repairing, and if I want it to match the other side, I have to replace that one as well. BMW will give you the other side for free in most cases, but you will have to pay to have it painted. About $ 300 to 400 in most cases I have heard of. I have friend who has a 1600GTL, and if you read up on them, he had a problem with that fancy switch gear on the left handle bar, as have many, many others. BMW is replacing them under warranty. But he was told by the dealer that repaced his is that his will probably have to be changed again as a newer one is coming ( from a different supplier ).

Don't get me wrong, I love my BMWs'. My 1100 GS is the best I have ever owned, and the GT is exhilerating to say the least. But I don't have the confidence in the GT as I do in the GS. Going to Potosi this week, and the GT will probably stay home ...again. So, not being a naysayer or afraid of new technology, I'll sit back and see how the new bike goes before even considering one of these.

[little foot]

I plan to be the the test pilot when I am allowed to order one. Ain't skeerd