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Old 01-06-2013, 04:55 PM   #4171
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According to German "Motorrad" the new engine is better than the old one (of course).
They compared the 2013 GS on paper with 8 contenders and of course only the GS has no defficiencies (red points), all is green :-)
- quicker revving engine
- better engine sound
- better shaft drive
- even lower weight
- full electronics program

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Old 01-06-2013, 05:40 PM   #4172
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He does have an R and it has the same silly-assed wide rims.

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Old 01-06-2013, 05:44 PM   #4173
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So buy a KTM But also a consideration is as an adventure bike, it's designed to carry a pillion and luggage..perhaps putting the fuel back there as well would unbalance the bike. The bottom line is, maybe you should actually ride it in the dirt before you draw conclusions about its dirt worthiness. I'm sure BMW mounted the fuel tank as high as possible because they had no clue about the impact of it's weight
I am amused by this...

I have owned both a R1200GS and a KTM 990 Adventure. The KTM is absolutely and unquestionably totally superior for a big bore twin dirt bike as soon as you leave the pavement. It's not even close. However, the GS is by far the better road bike. Long distance rides on the KTM 990 Adventure on blacktop were not fun.

Stick either one into a mud bog or launch one into a ravine 6 feet down from the trail and you will realize that both really suck as dirt bikes. They are both FAR too heavy to extract without a small army or winch to help. Been there, done that on both as well.

For the record the new GS (which I LOVE!) has the fuel tank down low, its the airbox that is on top now.
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Old 01-06-2013, 05:58 PM   #4174
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I am amused by this...

I have owned both a R1200GS and a KTM 990 Adventure. The KTM is absolutely and unquestionably totally superior for a big bore twin dirt bike as soon as you leave the pavement. It's not even close. However, the GS is by far the better road bike. Long distance rides on the KTM 990 Adventure on blacktop were not fun.

Stick either one into a mud bog or launch one into a ravine 6 feet down from the trail and you will realize that both really suck as dirt bikes. They are both FAR too heavy to extract without a small army or winch to help. Been there, done that on both as well.

For the record the new GS (which I LOVE!) has the fuel tank down low, its the airbox that is on top now.
I think you misunderstood my post.....
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:06 PM   #4175
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He does have an R and it has the same silly-assed wide rims.
Hmmm:

"The Adventure uses the same tire sizes as the BMW R1200GS—120/70-19 front and 170/60-17 rear—but the R variant can switch to a front 90/90-21 and a rear 150/70-18."

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Old 01-06-2013, 06:18 PM   #4176
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The available rims are over wide.

From Joe's thread on ADV:

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I'll use the Pirelli Sorpion Rally 90/90 21" and 140/80 18"
The same tyres I've used on the 950/990 Adventure.

I'll also change the rims to the same rims with I have used he last years.

This is 2,50 inch on the rear and 1,85 on the front.


I've been yust riding 300 km with the new bike, so its hard to say how many miles you can go on one tank.
But a lot more then with the old one. In normal conditions I think it should be around 400 km or even more, but we'll see.
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:25 PM   #4177
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I'll use the Pirelli Sorpion Rally 90/90 21" and 140/80 18"
The same tyres I've used on the 950/990 Adventure.
So what you're saying is that the difference between a 150/70-18 is so much over a 140/80-18 that you call it over wide? Sorry, I'm not following. The front tires are the same, so likely no discussion there, right?

But as this isn't the KTM thread, we should discuss via PM or so.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:28 AM   #4178
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Better engine & shaft drive than the Triumph Tiger? The 2013 will have to be a lot better engine/drive than the previous generation for this to be true.

The only audio clip I've heard was on this thread from a bike show. When the guy hit the throttle the muffler sounded like someone was passing gas

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According to German "Motorrad" the new engine is better than the old one (of course).
They compared the 2013 GS on paper with 8 contenders and of course only the GS has no defficiencies (red points), all is green :-)
- quicker revving engine
- better engine sound
- better shaft drive
- even lower weight
- full electronics program

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Old 01-07-2013, 06:46 AM   #4179
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Here is the link to 204 BMW pressroom photos of the new GS: http://rllemke.smugmug.com/Motorcycl...9647&k=PGXSCn2

There may be a duplicate or two though.

These are the full sized jpegs offered to the magazines. Much easier to see them with SmugMug than the press site BMW has.

As a K1600GT owner, and having a strong interest in getting the new GS, I took the time with Photoshop to scale the power output of the new GS and K16 onto one image.

(N.B.: The two different output lines for the K1600 shows the lower output when the engine is in Rain Mode.)

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Old 01-07-2013, 07:22 AM   #4180
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According to German "Motorrad" the new engine is better than the old one (of course).
They compared the 2013 GS on paper with 8 contenders and of course only the GS has no deficiencies (red points), all is green :-)
- quicker revving engine
- better engine sound
- better shaft drive
- even lower weight
- full electronics program

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They're German......what else are they going to say?! Aiy.......more powder is not better for stress in thy shaft???

Amazing how much B.S. has been said about a bike nobodies ridden & crashed........give it two years and we'll see how AMAZING all these green points are in the hands of NON-subscription selling magazine editors and staff.

As a counter point.....Honda hasn't changed the XR650 since 1901 and people still use it reliably off & on road.......What are it's Red points?!

AND for the KTM guys......your new 1190 is being turned into a GS......19inch front tire?!



Common people, don't you think all this is half amusing?? Just go ride......it's better for your fingers then typing.
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:32 AM   #4181
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Question Low suspension ?

Based on available info, I cannot tell if with the low suspension some of the safety/ride options (ESA, ASC, etc.) will be unavailable. Obviously, that is the case with the F700/800, but I don't believe that is necessarily so for this new 1200. Thanks.
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:32 AM   #4182
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I'm going to buy an 1190 and a waterhead and put TW200 tires and rims on them both.

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Old 01-07-2013, 08:36 AM   #4183
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They're German......what else are they going to say?! Aiy.......more powder is not better for stress in thy shaft??? .
Marketing hype is what sells bikes and creates a (free) promotional buzz on bike forums and in the riding community, not to mention bragging rights to early adopters / beta testers.

That's what moto mags do.. pump and hype, heap praise and fluff any shortcomings, especially for products from big advertisers. I have no doubt that the new GS will be a very good bike. But there's so many good ADV bikes out now, it's given us a lot of choice and has put pressure on bmw. For example, for years, riders have been clamoring for factory cruise control on the GS, now that Triumph has it on their Explorer, the GS will be offered with it. That's good for riders like us who cross the north american continent on the superslab to get to the good riding, and none of us are getting younger!
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Old 01-07-2013, 09:57 AM   #4184
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Here is the link to 204 BMW pressroom photos of the new GS: http://rllemke.smugmug.com/Motorcycl...9647&k=PGXSCn2

There may be a duplicate or two though.

These are the full sized jpegs offered to the magazines
these are pretty cool.

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Old 01-07-2013, 10:34 AM   #4185
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these are pretty cool.

Car wash testing ;-) I do the drive thru car washes all the time...good way to get your riding suit cleaned ;-)
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