The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

[Voluhzia]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

Car wash testing ;-) I do the drive thru car washes all the time...good way to get your riding suit cleaned ;-)

I thought it was arctic test...


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[Eddy Alvarez]

I just got back from drooling on several bikes at the motorcycle show in DC this weekend. I cannot dispute that the 2013 GS looks great as does the Honda CB1100, the Triumph Street Triple and the white Super Tenere. There was a buzz that BMW refocused and aimed in the wrong direction by trying harder than ever to compete with the Ducati Multistrada. (Larger sport sized tires, 125 hp, a $1000 LED headlight, more weight, another Fisher-Price skidplate, ultra-expensive electronics, LED dash, etc)
On a good note, the wet, multiplate clutch and water pump in the front of the motor are wonderful as is the quick and easily adjustable windsheild! I can't wait until the RawHyde Crew and the BMW Performance Center team get to rev, jump, submurge, wheelie, drop and beat the daylights out of them for a few months to see what they think.
After I quietly voiced my concerns to a BMW employee answering questions about the GS and showed him some pictures of my GS caked in mud and laying on it's side, he smiled and summed it up by stating "BMW knows that 85% of riders are never leaving the pavement and will not treat their GS's the way you have." Really?! That not what your brochure/website says! I sincerely hope I am just paranoid and that this is the best GS ever. Not that I can afford one right now anyways.

[Marki_GSA]

Personally my feelings are that the GS is much more aimed at the road (85%) market. If you want to get your bike off road and treat it mean I would wait for the GSA. I could be wrong but I think it will be more suitable and a bit more rugged. Separating the two models a bit further than a bit higher and a bigger fuel tank that they are now.

[Midnullarbor]

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Doubt that the new GSA will come in any lighter than the ordinary GS, to improve its off-roading.

Still, it will leave room for the 800 twin to go to 900cc.

And maybe, just maybe, a really lightweight 600 twin that would be something far more of a pleasure on dirt ~ plus having the ability for reasonably fast highway stretches.
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[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by Marki_GSA

Personally my feelings are that the GS is much more aimed at the road (85%) market. If you want to get your bike off road and treat it mean I would wait for the GSA. I could be wrong but I think it will be more suitable and a bit more rugged. Separating the two models a bit further than a bit higher and a bigger fuel tank that they are now.

Not sure why you think the GSA is more suitable...basically the same bike but heavier and more top heavy. Gotta go smaller, lighter, bigger front wheel, etc. if you want more dirt worthy.

[bemiiten]

With the dizzying amount of ride modes, traction control and ABS, linked brakes... BMW should have included one more item; The turn all this shit off and give me control of my bike button.

[twinrider]

One does have to wonder about the reliability of skyhook suspension and other electronics gadgets as time passes. Guess that won't matter for those who trade up in 2-3 years when the next latest greatest incarnation is released.

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by bemiiten

With the dizzying amount of ride modes, traction control and ABS, linked brakes... BMW should have included one more item; The turn all this shit off and give me control of my bike button.

The ride modes are to give you control!

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by twinrider

One does have to wonder about the reliability of skyhook suspension and other electronics gadgets as time passes. Guess that won't matter for those who trade up in 2-3 years when the next latest greatest incarnation is released.

BMW has been using Sachs dynamic suspension in cars for years...never heard of a problem with it.

[steveWFL]

nay-sayers, geez

[twinrider]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

BMW has been using Sachs dynamic suspension in cars for years...never heard of a problem with it.

I'm guessing they had to shrink/modify the components to adapt it for motorcycle use, and it will have a harder life on some bikes. Time will tell.

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by twinrider

I'm guessing they had to shrink/modify the components to adapt it for motorcycle use, and it will have a harder life on some bikes. Time will tell.

You mean the software and the chip that controls it But the good thing is that it's optional, so you don't need to get it if you don't want it.

[Marki_GSA]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

Not sure why you think the GSA is more suitable...basically the same bike but heavier and more top heavy. Gotta go smaller, lighter, bigger front wheel, etc. if you want more dirt worthy.

The current GSA is very similar but who is to say the WC one will be. As I said they may choose to separate the models more than they currently are. GS more a road bike and GSA more off road.

[Corkonian]

Irish pricing -
bmw-r-1200-gs/prices-and-specifications.html

[TuonoBiker]

Originally Posted by steveWFL

nay-sayers, geez

Seriously! I'm certainly no fan-boy, but geez!!! What do people want? Make the GS too small, then people complain it isn't tour worthy. Take away all the gadgets of ALL sorts and then its over-priced and old-fashioned....give it too much HP and its now trying to compete w/ a Multi. Make it too tour worthy and now it sucks off-road.

I still maintain that the GS is one of the best full size tour bikes that can take you and a passenger down any path, road, interstate loaded with luggage for several days and do it with ease...so long as you have ground clearance.

Its got an optional 1000$ LED headlight. So what!!!! Some of us love that shit!!! You can buy fancy automatic suspension....so what!!!! Lots of people love that shit too. For 20k, give or take, a lot of people will demand they get the latest technology and innovations. And I mostly agree.

I say all the naysayers of technology...of anything with a circuit board...of anything over 105HP (*gasp*)...go buy a 10 year old KLR and stop belly-aching about technology and overweight bikes.

Sorry.........[/rant]